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and that's all I got how you doing

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alejandro I am well how are you great

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great things are going good we've had a

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beautiful summer here in the in the East

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mosquitoes which is really rare for me

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be seasoned Haho be what what is that

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boob they're actually called hub boobs

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where you know these big waves of sand

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come like on the movies really you know

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where you have these huge clouds now

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unlike the movies it's not like they

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shred your skin or they're that scary

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it's really just this dust that comes

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over and it feels like when they come up

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through it feels like you're in a like a

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in a vacuum or something like that get

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like a vacuum machine that just it's

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just dusty and it's this like cloud of

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dust it's yucky visibility can be a

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little lower and it's just you know it's

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just kind of gross but what's

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these things and a lightning goes

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sideways and everything and that can be

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really weird but it looks really cool

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you can go to the Phoenix news and stuff

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just more fun but they're actually

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called uh boobs

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Wow mm-hm yeah but the kids love playing

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with that name yeah yeah actually my

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girlfriend's daughter she's a teenager

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just be a senior this year she doesn't

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like that word she doesn't like it when

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which of course just makes me want to

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say it more right yeah I was wondering

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that if there was any static electricity

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real staticky as well no not really

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just real dirty it's a dirt rain Wow

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but yeah and it makes your cars dirty

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because it's hard to keep your car clean

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here until a ho boobie comes by yeah is

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it must be low UFO sightings during her

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boobies season yeah which of course

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they're you know what that would be

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less however Arizona just because of the

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clear skies I think has quite a few

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sightings all year round yeah I'm sure

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they do so what is happening out there

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what is happening bub up up up up this

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is exciting for you because I know

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you're a big fan this is a story about

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Rowan Blanchard Rowan Blanchard mm-hmm

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okay um do you know who that is I don't

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either until I read the story and some

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probably have none she I guess she's a

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story about her why I bring her up in

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feeling kind of snarky and I want to

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kind of rub this into people

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she there's a story by MTV saying that

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she accidentally photographed a UFO and

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she posted this picture to Instagram

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the highway light you can see the other

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highway lights in the picture the reason

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why I like to talk about this is that

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it's so funny there was this happen you

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crazy about it now a lot of us you know

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reflection on the windshield from the

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highway lights and it was shocking to me

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how many people got upset by me and

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others even when I said this on your

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show people got upset people got really

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upset so I we have similar lights here

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on our highways so I took my phone and I

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recorded those lights out my windshield

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ensure enough you the same effect

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happens you see the the round lights

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like the lights themselves are so bright

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that the camera can't pick up the shape

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that they're in you just see this big

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mass of bright light but in the

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reflection you actually see the

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individual lights in a circle so they

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essentially what's happening so I

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YouTube so if you go to youtube and you

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can see this effect but unfortunately

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young miss Blanchard it's not a UFO it

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is just a reflection but I just want to

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remind people of that phenomenon Wow so

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and someone liked her post something

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like that I bet it just absolutely goes

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crazy yeah I'm sure it will you know

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there'll be lots of people saying it's

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UFO who knows so yeah but there you go

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you know what can you do what can you do

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yeah nothing you can't do it damn thing

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Martin um speaking of celebrities in

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UFOs there was some progress Tom DeLonge

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was going to supposedly make are you

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aware of any updates on that not really

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fiction book about what he was told by

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different military witnesses deep

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throats his deep throats and he did

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release this book it's a fiction book

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it's done very well nor has anyone

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really made a big deal out of it I've

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who read through it and you just can't

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make heads or tail of what the heck he's

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trying to reveal that's so shocking so

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no the book I was I was thinking once

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the book came out perhaps there would be

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a big you know I do at least finally we

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would hear what he was claiming that he

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had information he had received but not

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much so it's been silent that way Wow

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well because you know the thing that the

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celebrities have is you know that when

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they have a huge fan base they have a

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lot of power and you know I just I hate

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to see anything abused or misused when

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things like this but you know that

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sounds like of the person you were

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speaking of from Disney there I already

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forgot her name Blanchard or something

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like that

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you know other celebrities have done the

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same thing who was it

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Russell Crowe right I did the same yeah

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and unfortunately he was really sticking

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to it - UFO even after it was debunked

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but I don't know that he was aware of

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the debunking or what people figured it

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out to be I think pretty they did a

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great job figuring it out and

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demonstrating that they were right but

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yeah it happened

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and then sometimes celebrities have some

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sightings that are more unexplainable

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but I think it's interesting I think

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it's great that Tom DeLonge is

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interested in the topic you know yeah

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and it often happens it even happen with

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me where I was really excited by certain

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cases but then when I had the time to

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actually really view deep thorough

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research into these cases I found that

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they weren't as exciting as I thought

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they were or that people were purporting

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them to be and that could be a stage

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that he's going through it's really hard

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sure to do all the research and with

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everything that he does I'm sure he's

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only got limited time to to do this sort

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of looking anyway so yeah right so I

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wish him all the luck and we'll see what

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happens with when he releases more

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information hoping that he will yeah

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yeah right so what else is happening out

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there what else is happening there's

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been a couple other interesting

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sightings there's a Utah witness who saw

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and this is you know I've seen a few of

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these he was in the town of West Jordan

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and he saw lights hovering that he felt

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were under five hundred feet he said at

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first he thought the lights were a plane

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but they weren't moving - staying still

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really still and when he got closer the

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two lights he saw that the two lights

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were connected by a cylinder

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so it's just another interesting

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exciting there's a drawing of it I

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always kind of wonder if perhaps these

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cylinders that they see are just planes

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you know what lights on on each of their

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wings but it's hard to say he said that

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you know when each side was a dome where

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these lights were that he felt were

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probably the size of trampolines so I

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don't know huh no noise yeah or did it

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report anything about was there any

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report about any noise I don't think

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they did report anything about noise the

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first thing makes me think of as a

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helicopter for some reason I'm saying

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these trampoline it wasn't like a

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psychic premonition yes oh very

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interesting otherwise the other news is

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well a couple things if he wouldn't mind

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me talking about I don't think I did

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talked about cuz I only posted this on

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the 19th my astronomers and you oh yeah

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that's a great I want you to set talk

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about that that's really ok cool cool

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cool cool so I did post a story I

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originally wrote this for the magazine

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the last issue of our open minds

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magazine however that magazine is no

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longer in print and we're out of copies

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starting to post the stories from the

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magazine into our onto our website and

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one of them I'm really happy about and

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that I did work for a long time

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researching is one about astronomers and

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wanted to write this article is because

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lead scientist for SETI and when I was

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interviewing him he said you know if

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there really was something to UFOs

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astronomers would be all over this but

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they're not because astronomers are

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looking at the night sky all of the time

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and I asked him in particular about one

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book that was written by an astronomer

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and he hadn't read it so I was kind of

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disappointed in him that you know he

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would make such a statement without have

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researched that which is he's inaccurate

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not only do I demonstrate and they say

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astronomers aren't interested they have

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had sightings but that astronomers are

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really the main ones to have pushed

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forward the research into UFOs first one

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being J Allen Hynek mm-hmm who was a

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consultant for the Air Force and he was

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a famous astronomer III I've got a

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actually show coming up we're going to

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do this thing called UFO magazine but

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it's gonna be online on YouTube that

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we're gonna post for free where I'm

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going to cover the 1952 case in

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Washington which was a really big deal

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we're gonna cover it in depth right when

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that event happened it spawned a an

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article from Life magazine about UFOs in

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1952 and in that article they talked

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about sightings from other very

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prominent astronomers so I talked about

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that that then prompted Hynek to do a

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report in an investigation on

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astronomers and UFOs where he found

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astronomers were reporting UFOs and a

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lot of them did have some positive

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things to say about the research into

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UFOs and then later on

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Peter Sturrock wrote this book UFO

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enigma and he in it he talks about an

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investigation he did was another

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Astronomical Society where he

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interviewed them about UFOs and fine

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found similar findings to hynek's but

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this is just as somewhat of a

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demonstration more recently there's a

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astronomer in New York Derek

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Pitts who actually had a lot of positive

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things to say about Leslie Cain's book

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and talking about how you know that's

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made him think that you all folks really

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are something that we should look into

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michio kaku who's a physicist but

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theoretical physicist is always always

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said the same so I put all this together

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and I think it's really important and I

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would love for people to read it because

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if you ever get that you know our

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astronomers interested you know take a

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look at this article and you could say

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yeah they are buddy that's right your

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saw stack and then you know tell Shasta

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yeah they sure are and then give him an

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ugly yeah and then send him a link to

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your story yeah all the same time yeah

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awesome well I've got that is great I

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appreciate it I really do encourage the

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listeners to go to openminds.tv/radio

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and there is the experiencer speak

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coming up here in Portland Maine with

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Audrey humans puts that on every year

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why move on the front symposiums this

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weekend I'll be leaving in the morning

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so that's right down in Florida and

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that'll be fun yep yep and Ben moss will

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be there Tony and G Ola keep going with

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the names of someone we just had on the

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show RIT rich Hoffman that's Robert

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Powell

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Richard theme erling strand Paola Harris

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I think it's yeah he's speaking John

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Greenwald so yeah isn't here's a Richard

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T me that's how you're supposed to say

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that really yeah I don't know yeah I

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don't know I'm guessing yep and I'm

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screwing it up I guess yeah all right

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man well you have a good one okay you

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too all right now talk to you next week

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all right hang in everyone for this

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quick music break we'll be right back

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with Paul Stonehill and we're talking us

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all right we're on with Paul Stonehill

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scruff sweet yeah Paul

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yes hello can you hear me yes I can hear

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you welcome to the show thank you so

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much thank you for inviting me and I

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wanted to start by saying that Alejandra

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is absolutely right about the

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astronomers and yeah my books I list

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Soviet astronomers that definitely were

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interested in UFOs and your souls but of

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course zero-force primarily and some of

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them were not afraid to speak you know

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there were parent periods in Soviet

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history when you could speak a lot or

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you couldn't couldn't speak at all what

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I do list those astronomers so that's

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he's absolutely right yes I do remember

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I also interviewed chef sauce szostak

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and he did make the same comment on my

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show as well and I remember right after

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that I was contacted by an an astronomer

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in the u k-- in the UK and he said what

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szostak just said is not true because

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I'm an astronomer and I just watched a

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big black triangle fly over me so yeah

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and this has been happening you know yes

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there are they're out there in the night

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sky a lot a lot of times for many many

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hours I've joined them a few times and

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you know just plain looking up at the

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sky it's bound to happen and for someone

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to be closed-minded like that and say

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you never happens is it's too bad he's

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right he's inaccurate so let's talk

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about you Paul you have quite an

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interesting background and the listener

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can see that in our show notes you grew

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up in in the Soviet Union at the time

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and Kiev are

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that area and so and then you eventually

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made it over to the US but when how

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early in your life did the interests in

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UFOs begin for you and why I would say

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very early probably when I was eight and

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I met somebody who had actually

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witnessed UFO over the Arctic and

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besides that I will was also a you know

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interested in reading very famous and

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very fearless Soviet magazine called

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Technica mala Jersey where they

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published interesting articles that

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touched upon you apology ancient

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visitations ancient aliens and so forth

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Wow okay and you you have I I wasn't

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aware of this until I was reading

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through your biography but you've

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written other books with Philip mantel

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Philips been on the show a number of

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times and but I am really really

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interested in the unidentified

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submersible objects because there has

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been some great stories about that so I

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would love for you to just jump right

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into the topic and what you discovered

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while you were writing this book and by

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the way the title of the book and it can

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be found on Amazon and also it's on

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Richard Dolan Press is Russia's USO

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secrets and again with co-author Philip

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mantel yes and if anybody if we don't if

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anybody wants to find out more about our

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books and also my Chinese UFO research

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and others

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it's www Paul Stonehill Russian UFO and

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you are so research calm very easy

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everything is there what what you know

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what I wanted to let you know is that my

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my prime you know primary interest was

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the way the Soviet Union the Russian

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Empire before the Soviet Union and to

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the extent possible you know modern

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states in the former Soviet Union

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Territory how they studied your force

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and most interesting cases and that's

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what the book will have

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I list cases I think I have about one

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you know myself and Philip collected

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information for about I guess I think

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about twenty chapters and we break it

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down into different regions and

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different areas for example the Arctic

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Ocean sightings very interesting or the

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Baltics and we try to go us back into

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the antiquity as possible because there

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is a lot a lot to show and through the

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modern times but especially the Soviet

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period because it was a fascinating

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period in our history when it was the

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mightiest country in the world in terms

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of territory and they assumed the world

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you know the military power they

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experimented a lot they've done a lot of

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damage to the - to the land of Russia

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and other lands through the experiments

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but at the same time they had the power

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to harness you of all observations like

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no one else ever did in 1978

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actually a little bit earlier special

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instructions when went to all the

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branches of the Soviet armed forces to

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study they called it anomalous aerial

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phenomena UFOs you could not you should

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not be saying you a force it was a

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bourgeois invention you know and it was

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a very very powerful program because

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information streamed into the Soviet

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centers there were two research centers

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and we'll list them in the book and

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quite a lot was collected

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besides that we had independent

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researchers who dared to study UFOs and

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people like Felix eagle and a few others

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achieved quite a lot will in back of a

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few more and collected information and

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for example we have somebody there was

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Alexander kuzava in a very very diligent

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researcher who collected a fascinating

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information about a u.s. oh he sighted

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he was told by scientists who had who

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had seen it at the you know under the

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water in the Black Sea it was a Jake

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ten story building you know tell us toll

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as a 10-story building standing

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vertically what should they say a will

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like structure with numerous lights and

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they observed it face to face and then

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it changed went into horizontal position

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and left an incredible speed and you

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know you had information like this plus

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like I said you had the military of all

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the branches bringing information in

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also to the extent they were interested

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which was not really very much was the

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KGB who had to receive information from

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the informers there were too many

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informers in the Soviet Union and

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anything unusual or suspicious they

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would see they would run to the KGB and

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you know provide information but the

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most important the most interesting

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source of information were the Soviet

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Armed Forces but and you know of that I

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am proud because I had relatives who had

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served in the Russian and Soviet Navy it

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was the Navy that was P spearheaded such

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research because they had to know what

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was going on and in the book will list

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here you know all the details but what's

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interesting that it started early in

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1960s and they created special teams of

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highly professional highly educated

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military scientists who would visit

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Soviet naval bases and he ventured

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outside of the Soviet borders too

541
00:25:24,629 --> 00:25:21,039
because they were quite concerned about

542
00:25:27,529 --> 00:25:24,639
us owes the so called quackery and

543
00:25:34,190 --> 00:25:27,539
other phenomena they mentioned which

544
00:25:41,070 --> 00:25:37,979
programs and also would basically

545
00:25:43,709 --> 00:25:41,080
interfere sometimes with the military

546
00:25:47,789 --> 00:25:43,719
games that they had conducted well of

547
00:25:50,099 --> 00:25:47,799
course most you know worrisome to them

548
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:50,109
was the appearance of UFOs and you a

549
00:25:55,769 --> 00:25:53,049
force in the secret military bases in

550
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:55,779
the Kola Peninsula for example which is

551
00:25:59,730 --> 00:25:56,530
a very straight

552
00:26:03,240 --> 00:25:59,740
we've located Flay's and home of the

553
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:03,250
Soviet Navy north fleet very important

554
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:04,510
you know that's where they're stationed

555
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:08,890
and the submarines and special factories

556
00:26:15,090 --> 00:26:12,490
that produce most secrets of it Russian

557
00:26:17,910 --> 00:26:15,100
submarines and you had UFOs they're all

558
00:26:22,290 --> 00:26:17,920
over the place especially in the years

559
00:26:24,420 --> 00:26:22,300
of through 70802 1980s but it's just one

560
00:26:27,150 --> 00:26:24,430
piece of the Soviet territory Russia is

561
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:27,160
a gigantic country mm-hmm and the Soviet

562
00:26:33,570 --> 00:26:29,890
Union was even bigger and no matter were

563
00:26:37,740 --> 00:26:33,580
and will list chapters Chukotka

564
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:37,750
Kamchatka you name it a sea of okhotsk

565
00:26:47,250 --> 00:26:42,730
others you had us owes and you know we

566
00:26:49,710 --> 00:26:47,260
don't we provide information given to us

567
00:26:52,650 --> 00:26:49,720
provided to us that we found through our

568
00:26:55,380 --> 00:26:52,660
research from the military observers the

569
00:26:57,690 --> 00:26:55,390
best ones there can be from people from

570
00:27:02,970 --> 00:26:57,700
scientists from some government

571
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:02,980
officials and of course from scientists

572
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:06,130
like we mentioned the astronomers and

573
00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:08,410
others and I wanted to say I just want

574
00:27:12,510 --> 00:27:10,750
to put in as much as I can into this

575
00:27:17,270 --> 00:27:12,520
conversation but I wanted to say that

576
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:17,280
what what we found out is that US Oh's

577
00:27:24,270 --> 00:27:20,650
had been attracted to the Soviet Union

578
00:27:26,790 --> 00:27:24,280
in many ways because of the ecological

579
00:27:28,830 --> 00:27:26,800
damage done to the country it was very

580
00:27:33,540 --> 00:27:28,840
interesting because yeah because through

581
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:33,550
the years and you could see based on the

582
00:27:40,350 --> 00:27:37,360
report high level of you as all an UFO

583
00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:40,360
activity especially in the years you

584
00:27:47,310 --> 00:27:44,950
know where they had ecological incidents

585
00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:47,320
or like Chernobyl but of course you have

586
00:27:54,390 --> 00:27:49,750
nothing to do with your souls but we had

587
00:27:58,170 --> 00:27:54,400
in our books will list the 1986 UFO over

588
00:28:00,900 --> 00:27:58,180
Chernobyl very interesting but and what

589
00:28:03,450 --> 00:28:00,910
we found out that through the history

590
00:28:09,330 --> 00:28:03,460
some of the most interesting years for

591
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:09,340
us Oh activity were 1965 1982 especial

592
00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:10,330
in 1980

593
00:28:20,850 --> 00:28:16,750
to 1978-1979 and a few years after but I

594
00:28:23,419 --> 00:28:20,860
would underline 1965 and 1982 because

595
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:23,429
based on the reports we have in the book

596
00:28:30,259 --> 00:28:27,570
observations by Soviet naval personnel

597
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,269
within the Soviet territories and

598
00:28:34,769 --> 00:28:32,799
outside we have a whole chapter about

599
00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:34,779
the International sightings it's more

600
00:28:39,389 --> 00:28:36,760
than one chapter but we kind of wanted

601
00:28:42,810 --> 00:28:39,399
to list it that way you will see cases

602
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:42,820
going back from 1965 around the world

603
00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:47,679
and in Russia and also there were

604
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:51,809
interesting cases in 1968 in 1978 and

605
00:28:56,460 --> 00:28:54,159
cases around South America for example

606
00:28:59,039 --> 00:28:56,470
were Soviet scientific ships which

607
00:29:02,490 --> 00:28:59,049
definitely contained you know

608
00:29:05,820 --> 00:29:02,500
intelligence personnel aboard where they

609
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:05,830
involved in military collection sorry in

610
00:29:12,450 --> 00:29:08,100
the collection of scientific data and

611
00:29:14,820 --> 00:29:12,460
when they lower their cables with

612
00:29:16,769 --> 00:29:14,830
special equipment you know down into the

613
00:29:19,529 --> 00:29:16,779
you know at the bottom of the ocean just

614
00:29:22,620 --> 00:29:19,539
to say what they got back were cables

615
00:29:24,330 --> 00:29:22,630
that were just sheared off and you know

616
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:24,340
we found confirmation we just thought

617
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,409
would just try not to lose the story

618
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:28,240
without right trying to find other

619
00:29:32,370 --> 00:29:29,679
confirmation so we went to new

620
00:29:35,009 --> 00:29:32,380
scientific magazines to find out if such

621
00:29:36,509 --> 00:29:35,019
for example an expedition actually

622
00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:36,519
existed and when we do provide

623
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:40,620
confirmation very interesting so in 1982

624
00:29:45,539 --> 00:29:44,049
I'm gonna be jumping around a little bit

625
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:45,549
but I do want your listeners to

626
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:49,360
understand 1982 was a significant year

627
00:29:54,810 --> 00:29:52,809
and many people you know nowadays they

628
00:29:57,899 --> 00:29:54,820
come to me about the story of the so

629
00:30:00,889 --> 00:29:57,909
called swimmers and this took place in

630
00:30:03,930 --> 00:30:00,899
1982 when a detachment of Soviet frogmen

631
00:30:10,409 --> 00:30:03,940
basically perished because they try to

632
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:10,419
capture very unusual gigantic humanoid

633
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,929
ant beings at the I don't want to say

634
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:15,760
the bottom of the lake baikal but but

635
00:30:20,370 --> 00:30:18,159
you know below working on whatever they

636
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:20,380
needed to do without any without any

637
00:30:23,409 --> 00:30:21,730
appearance of the breathing apparatuses

638
00:30:27,129 --> 00:30:23,419
or anything else

639
00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:27,139
and we said command even yeah and we

640
00:30:31,209 --> 00:30:28,849
know this was a very interesting story

641
00:30:32,979 --> 00:30:31,219
and we found confirmation years later

642
00:30:36,609 --> 00:30:32,989
from a Russian and a very respected

643
00:30:40,209 --> 00:30:36,619
Russian writer who heard about it also

644
00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:40,219
in 1986 and we represent information to

645
00:30:48,719 --> 00:30:44,169
where we got this 1982 case but moreover

646
00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:48,729
we get confirmation about the same year

647
00:30:57,099 --> 00:30:53,089
observation of a I very identical being

648
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:57,109
in the same I don't wanna say uniform

649
00:31:05,529 --> 00:31:00,799
but rest the same way from the annals of

650
00:31:09,399 --> 00:31:05,539
the Soviet secret UFO research program

651
00:31:12,430 --> 00:31:09,409
called Sitka net in Russian this was the

652
00:31:16,779 --> 00:31:12,440
program like I said that started in 1978

653
00:31:19,690 --> 00:31:16,789
and lasted officially from 1991 although

654
00:31:23,259 --> 00:31:19,700
we knew that you know we know that some

655
00:31:24,999 --> 00:31:23,269
people stayed on through 1996 and we're

656
00:31:29,289 --> 00:31:25,009
not sure about what's going on today

657
00:31:33,369 --> 00:31:29,299
but that was the Soviet program just to

658
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:33,379
research UFOs their impact and the

659
00:31:40,539 --> 00:31:37,369
Soviet armed forces possibility of

660
00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:40,549
catching a UFO so to say into the net

661
00:31:47,619 --> 00:31:44,409
car into the sea Epke you know net and

662
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:47,629
also you know to find out how they can

663
00:31:53,589 --> 00:31:51,769
be utilized and this was I wouldn't want

664
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:53,599
to say magnificus because they had a lot

665
00:31:59,019 --> 00:31:56,089
of difficulties but this was a program

666
00:32:01,839 --> 00:31:59,029
that was divided into two sections one

667
00:32:04,719 --> 00:32:01,849
was the academic side the other one was

668
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:04,729
the military side and the military

669
00:32:09,579 --> 00:32:07,369
people were always more practical and

670
00:32:11,619 --> 00:32:09,589
curious now they're academicians were

671
00:32:13,989 --> 00:32:11,629
very much like the scientists we

672
00:32:15,399 --> 00:32:13,999
mentioned before those scientists those

673
00:32:17,529 --> 00:32:15,409
astronomers they don't want to believe

674
00:32:20,109 --> 00:32:17,539
anything because it's convenient to do

675
00:32:24,609 --> 00:32:20,119
so not to pay attention to what's going

676
00:32:25,810 --> 00:32:24,619
on really around you in the world and it

677
00:32:29,049 --> 00:32:25,820
was very interesting because the

678
00:32:30,609 --> 00:32:29,059
military personnel got somewhat upset I

679
00:32:32,379 --> 00:32:30,619
wanted to use another verb I shall not

680
00:32:35,169 --> 00:32:32,389
say it but they they were very much

681
00:32:37,310 --> 00:32:35,179
upset and they they actually extended

682
00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:37,320
hand of friendship to independent

683
00:32:43,659 --> 00:32:40,169
rushon uo for researchers who were

684
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:43,669
kicked out from the you know any any

685
00:32:50,629 --> 00:32:47,039
cooperation with the you know Academical

686
00:32:53,899 --> 00:32:50,639
circles and they wanted to know what was

687
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:53,909
going on why is it that our skies our

688
00:33:00,639 --> 00:32:57,450
land our territories our seas and oceans

689
00:33:03,169 --> 00:33:00,649
are being penetrated by unusual objects

690
00:33:05,060 --> 00:33:03,179
without any explanation everybody knew

691
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:05,070
this were not you know they they knew

692
00:33:07,580 --> 00:33:06,720
this were not the american state they

693
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:07,590
were not stupid

694
00:33:12,649 --> 00:33:10,320
they knew that nato faced very much the

695
00:33:14,570 --> 00:33:12,659
same but was Ernie was there any

696
00:33:17,539 --> 00:33:14,580
propaganda saying that it was American

697
00:33:18,169 --> 00:33:17,549
at the time of course of course of

698
00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:18,179
course

699
00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:21,659
first of all in early 1950s and we

700
00:33:27,049 --> 00:33:24,779
shortened our books this was the you

701
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,059
know I think it began in 1953 if I'm not

702
00:33:30,379 --> 00:33:29,519
mistaken the very first article against

703
00:33:32,690 --> 00:33:30,389
UFOs

704
00:33:34,730 --> 00:33:32,700
it was a brutal invention and then they

705
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:34,740
say this is what they want to do to take

706
00:33:39,649 --> 00:33:37,200
no minds of the working people away from

707
00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:39,659
the troubles in the United States and so

708
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:42,600
on also they they would translate

709
00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:46,110
themselves Brooke the debunking you know

710
00:33:51,769 --> 00:33:48,990
you you apology per say they published

711
00:33:54,889 --> 00:33:51,779
it in the Soviet Union and they you know

712
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:54,899
they would go out of their way to say

713
00:33:59,060 --> 00:33:56,610
that your force don't exist but at the

714
00:34:02,480 --> 00:33:59,070
same time you couldn't hide it

715
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:02,490
this was the impetus for the UFO

716
00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:05,580
research program in 1977 there were a

717
00:34:11,359 --> 00:34:08,040
number of observations that couldn't be

718
00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:11,369
explained some of them were launches of

719
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:13,409
the Soviet military satellites that's

720
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:14,609
not even a question

721
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:18,210
but accompanying those launches well

722
00:34:22,940 --> 00:34:20,490
you'll force seen throughout the Baltic

723
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:22,950
and northern Russia nobody could explain

724
00:34:28,369 --> 00:34:26,010
it and that's why they got they had

725
00:34:30,829 --> 00:34:28,379
enough and they got together it was the

726
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:30,839
military industrial commission of the

727
00:34:35,629 --> 00:34:33,540
Soviet Union responsible to the

728
00:34:39,260 --> 00:34:35,639
Politburo to you know several

729
00:34:42,099 --> 00:34:39,270
you know levels bureaucracy nevertheless

730
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:42,109
they were given money they were given

731
00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:45,810
abilities to study UFOs and they were

732
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:49,020
given permission to go out to all the

733
00:34:54,330 --> 00:34:50,530
armed forces and

734
00:34:58,170 --> 00:34:54,340
ask them for report I have an available

735
00:35:02,430 --> 00:34:58,180
list on our books special Soviet forms

736
00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:02,440
that every military person had to fill

737
00:35:06,420 --> 00:35:04,750
out should he see anything unusual in

738
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:06,430
the sky or in the sea very very

739
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:10,090
interesting with this history and you

740
00:35:15,290 --> 00:35:12,609
know this was discontinued for a long

741
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:15,300
time they changed names of that program

742
00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:18,490
from Sitka to Galactica because they had

743
00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:21,160
to get funding every five years they had

744
00:35:26,609 --> 00:35:23,470
to had government funding and to show

745
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:26,619
that something was done we're not sure

746
00:35:37,550 --> 00:35:33,210
no one is how much they caught we know

747
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:37,560
enough to make us amazed and fascinated

748
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:41,200
and will list their findings and some of

749
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:44,050
the reports in the book this one and

750
00:35:48,510 --> 00:35:45,910
others but especially this one about us

751
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:48,520
owes because we have reports that were

752
00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:50,770
you know we were able to obtain and

753
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:53,500
Russian new apologists Ukrainian Russian

754
00:35:57,599 --> 00:35:55,450
new apologists let me put it that way

755
00:35:59,339 --> 00:35:57,609
our colleagues and some of them very

756
00:36:01,680 --> 00:35:59,349
good contacts and some of them very

757
00:36:04,650 --> 00:36:01,690
brave people were able to obtain the

758
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:04,660
sector reports about us all sightings

759
00:36:09,150 --> 00:36:06,970
and you know very interesting and some

760
00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:09,160
of them and you know quite remote places

761
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:12,900
that we want to underline for people to

762
00:36:19,620 --> 00:36:17,170
to kept their eyes on let's say and but

763
00:36:21,630 --> 00:36:19,630
to to to stick to the program I gotta

764
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:21,640
tell you that actually it was the Navy

765
00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:25,210
Soviet Navy that kicked the ball it they

766
00:36:30,270 --> 00:36:27,780
were the ones that he should first

767
00:36:32,430 --> 00:36:30,280
instructions to the naval forces and

768
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:32,440
under Admiral Gorshkov

769
00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:38,160
they had special military teams

770
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:40,510
researchers like I said who would

771
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:42,640
adventure throughout you know different

772
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:44,890
bases around the world trying to study

773
00:36:52,490 --> 00:36:47,680
the impact of the Kokiri

774
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:52,500
that's in our I believe chapter two and

775
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,599
that's a very interesting a ghost of the

776
00:36:59,820 --> 00:36:57,520
ocean I think when people read it I know

777
00:37:01,320 --> 00:36:59,830
those who read it are quite fascinated

778
00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:01,330
and we're we're happy that we were able

779
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:04,030
to bring out this phenomena

780
00:37:08,210 --> 00:37:06,310
phenomenon to the tutor to the Western

781
00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:08,220
world and to you know other places

782
00:37:13,110 --> 00:37:11,230
because this was something that existed

783
00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:13,120
and bothered the Soviet Union from the

784
00:37:19,950 --> 00:37:17,620
mid 1960s to mid-1980s when the

785
00:37:22,980 --> 00:37:19,960
phenomenon just disappeared

786
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:22,990
for now we're not sure you know if it

787
00:37:27,150 --> 00:37:24,970
hasn't come back what's interesting in

788
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:27,160
the book we will show we were showing

789
00:37:31,890 --> 00:37:29,770
that Soviets were not the only ones who

790
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:31,900
were interested in this very unusual

791
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:36,310
phenomenon you know at the down under

792
00:37:44,250 --> 00:37:39,690
the surface of the ocean for unusual

793
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:44,260
gigantic lie beings yeah I don't know if

794
00:37:48,090 --> 00:37:45,520
you can even describe it like that

795
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:48,100
chasing Soviet submarines it was neat oh

796
00:37:53,550 --> 00:37:50,890
also was interested but I think the two

797
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:53,560
sides blamed each other what we found

798
00:37:59,130 --> 00:37:57,040
out that they had a meeting and you find

799
00:38:02,070 --> 00:37:59,140
out what happened in their meeting so

800
00:38:04,290 --> 00:38:02,080
but that's just one phenomenon and I

801
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:04,300
mentioned the swimmers those very

802
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:08,410
unusual beans that the Soviets tried to

803
00:38:13,650 --> 00:38:11,680
capture in 1982 and we have a lot of

804
00:38:15,150 --> 00:38:13,660
other cases from 1982 through the book

805
00:38:19,860 --> 00:38:15,160
you you know your readers will see

806
00:38:22,350 --> 00:38:19,870
because not only in Siberia but in other

807
00:38:23,850 --> 00:38:22,360
parts of Russia including Ukraine at

808
00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:23,860
that time and and you know everywhere

809
00:38:30,450 --> 00:38:28,030
else and just like 1965 cases you had a

810
00:38:33,420 --> 00:38:30,460
lover do all over the globe and the

811
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:33,430
Soviets were able to see them so we also

812
00:38:39,630 --> 00:38:36,810
try to bring attention of the people to

813
00:38:43,290 --> 00:38:39,640
the Pacific Bermuda Triangle and the

814
00:38:45,930 --> 00:38:43,300
very unusual areas like The Devil's sea

815
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:45,940
it's about 100 kilometers south of Japan

816
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:48,130
and what the Soviets had observed there

817
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:50,110
and not only Soviets but the Russian

818
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:53,610
Navy well before the Soviet Union and

819
00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:56,770
please understand that with all the

820
00:39:02,610 --> 00:38:58,810
commotion we have today with China

821
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:02,620
building their basis on the you know

822
00:39:08,130 --> 00:39:05,170
islands that are in conflict in the

823
00:39:12,030 --> 00:39:08,140
South China Sea and so forth this is the

824
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:12,040
area in the Pacific Ocean where you as

825
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:15,730
oz had been cited quite a lot by Russian

826
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:17,650
and Soviet navies

827
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:20,710
submarines mostly mm-hmm it's like this

828
00:39:27,870 --> 00:39:24,249
area attracts them and in my humble

829
00:39:30,420 --> 00:39:27,880
opinion I believe that the Russian Navy

830
00:39:32,609 --> 00:39:30,430
and the Chinese Navy and the American

831
00:39:35,999 --> 00:39:32,619
Navy I think they all understand what's

832
00:39:38,489 --> 00:39:36,009
going on and if they build up their

833
00:39:41,220 --> 00:39:38,499
forces in that region it's not only

834
00:39:44,430 --> 00:39:41,230
because they want to fight over a very

835
00:39:46,349 --> 00:39:44,440
you know where you wealthy islands

836
00:39:50,940 --> 00:39:46,359
because yeah there is a lot of there are

837
00:39:53,130 --> 00:39:50,950
a lot of resources down below oil and so

838
00:39:56,789 --> 00:39:53,140
forth but at the same time I think our

839
00:39:58,319 --> 00:39:56,799
our governments understand what's going

840
00:40:03,150 --> 00:39:58,329
on to the extent that they have to

841
00:40:05,759 --> 00:40:03,160
sooner or later face this danger and

842
00:40:08,430 --> 00:40:05,769
challenge you know wherever it comes

843
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:08,440
from you know and what's interesting is

844
00:40:16,799 --> 00:40:12,490
that I not long ago I so information

845
00:40:19,769 --> 00:40:16,809
about them joint military games between

846
00:40:22,049 --> 00:40:19,779
Chinese and Russian Navy's Chinese and

847
00:40:26,370 --> 00:40:22,059
American navies so it's very interesting

848
00:40:28,529 --> 00:40:26,380
to me and I gotta tell you I respect the

849
00:40:30,359 --> 00:40:28,539
commanders of such navies because I

850
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:30,369
think they know what's going on just

851
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,970
like the Arctic Ocean we have a big

852
00:40:38,970 --> 00:40:35,680
chapter in the book about the Arctic

853
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:38,980
Ocean and I've since I was a child in

854
00:40:44,420 --> 00:40:41,440
the Soviet Union I've you know studied

855
00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:44,430
quite a lot about that area and the

856
00:40:50,299 --> 00:40:47,380
brave people who under and the Soviet

857
00:40:54,749 --> 00:40:50,309
side and Russian side who tried to

858
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:54,759
explore it and change it at the same

859
00:41:00,440 --> 00:40:56,890
time we present very interesting

860
00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:00,450
information about Soviet military

861
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:04,180
attention to this area and numerous u.s.

862
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:07,569
owes their well you I gotta tell you

863
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:10,329
from definitely from nineteen twenties

864
00:41:16,349 --> 00:41:13,210
and an Arctic Ocean had attracted the

865
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:16,359
Soviet government and we willest you

866
00:41:20,430 --> 00:41:18,130
know information I was it and it would

867
00:41:25,259 --> 00:41:20,440
go from the Kola Peninsula all the way

868
00:41:29,069 --> 00:41:25,269
to the Siberian lands and to your kujaku

869
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:29,079
days especially a land of amazement and

870
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:31,090
I ask that if

871
00:41:36,570 --> 00:41:34,000
if any if anybody ever travels to Russia

872
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:36,580
not just to go to st. Petersburg and

873
00:41:41,870 --> 00:41:39,250
Moscow you know not that you will not

874
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:41,880
see your force in that area but

875
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:44,970
definitely you will see a lot more

876
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:48,160
interesting stuff in your kutia in

877
00:41:55,260 --> 00:41:52,330
Siberia Chukotka Kamchatka there are

878
00:41:56,970 --> 00:41:55,270
some parts in the Arctic Ocean where

879
00:41:59,310 --> 00:41:56,980
they will not let you come for example

880
00:42:03,950 --> 00:41:59,320
this strategic city of Norilsk very

881
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:03,960
interesting city and over I think it's

882
00:42:11,820 --> 00:42:08,410
north of the North Pole area but on

883
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:11,830
below a little bit south in the time Mir

884
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:15,040
Peninsula which is almost unexplored you

885
00:42:18,090 --> 00:42:16,510
will see quite a lot if you can get

886
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:18,100
there because it's almost impossible for

887
00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:21,040
the locals to travel there but this is

888
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:25,720
the area and represented of the where

889
00:42:30,090 --> 00:42:27,330
the Soviets found industrial diamonds

890
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:30,100
which are much more than regular

891
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:33,310
diamonds and present excellent

892
00:42:38,820 --> 00:42:35,850
scientific possibilities for the future

893
00:42:43,110 --> 00:42:38,830
but that's where the u.s. source of and

894
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:43,120
UFOs are sited and we mentioned the most

895
00:42:50,910 --> 00:42:47,920
interesting village of hanga that's in

896
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:50,920
your kutia and reports from the local

897
00:42:57,150 --> 00:42:53,760
meteorological station they have a

898
00:43:00,120 --> 00:42:57,160
special file on us OS and they're

899
00:43:02,670 --> 00:43:00,130
amazing cases from 1979 but who went

900
00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:02,680
beyond we found out some reports from

901
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:04,870
the cedcap program that I already

902
00:43:11,310 --> 00:43:07,890
mentioned about the unusual gigantic

903
00:43:14,130 --> 00:43:11,320
object that had been seen sighted in

904
00:43:17,820 --> 00:43:14,140
October of 1979 to the extent that

905
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:17,830
letters were sent out to to the research

906
00:43:23,580 --> 00:43:21,040
programs in existence in the Soviet

907
00:43:25,410 --> 00:43:23,590
Union and I have to mention one more to

908
00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:25,420
the magazines such as I told you about

909
00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:28,840
technical melodia and newspapers because

910
00:43:35,610 --> 00:43:33,190
people saw a gigantic UFO in the sky

911
00:43:39,330 --> 00:43:35,620
over their frozen land and they had to

912
00:43:42,290 --> 00:43:39,340
report it and although in most cases you

913
00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:42,300
know they would be laughed at

914
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:44,099
in some cases that didn't happen they

915
00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:46,680
would just hide the reports but in that

916
00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:50,280
area of the arctic around her Tonga and

917
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:53,700
in a few other places in around we

918
00:43:57,890 --> 00:43:55,200
mentioned all the cases this is

919
00:44:00,109 --> 00:43:57,900
incredible what has been seen and no

920
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:00,119
matter what does you know professional

921
00:44:05,420 --> 00:44:03,570
scientists debunkers tell you we have

922
00:44:07,820 --> 00:44:05,430
reports like I said from the Soviet

923
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:07,830
meteorological station this people are

924
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:10,560
not lying they don't need to but if if

925
00:44:17,810 --> 00:44:13,530
if you need more in our chapter by the

926
00:44:19,150 --> 00:44:17,820
Arctic we mentioned Vladimir Lucan who

927
00:44:21,380 --> 00:44:19,160
is the head of the West stock

928
00:44:24,260 --> 00:44:21,390
exploration he's the head of the Arctic

929
00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:24,270
and Antarctic expeditions of the Russian

930
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:27,390
Federation in 1984 it was a scientist

931
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:32,609
and he himself had observed UFO UFOs in

932
00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:36,240
that area and in 1997 he went to the

933
00:44:43,099 --> 00:44:38,790
headquarters of the animal a newspaper

934
00:44:46,329 --> 00:44:43,109
he sat down and he told Russian UFO

935
00:44:49,220 --> 00:44:46,339
researchers such as Mikhail Gerstein

936
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:49,230
probably one of the best in Russia today

937
00:44:54,740 --> 00:44:52,530
and and and a few others about his

938
00:44:57,950 --> 00:44:54,750
experiences now this is a top-notch

939
00:45:01,760 --> 00:44:57,960
scientist okay this is not somebody you

940
00:45:03,740 --> 00:45:01,770
know a bureaucratic debunker who one who

941
00:45:07,690 --> 00:45:03,750
wants to collect put a club down and a

942
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:07,700
UFO research this is this is people work

943
00:45:14,180 --> 00:45:10,410
world-renowned names and we have more

944
00:45:16,070 --> 00:45:14,190
than that you know I wanted to mention

945
00:45:18,740 --> 00:45:16,080
one more program this is very important

946
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:18,750
and we listed in our books when they set

947
00:45:25,820 --> 00:45:21,680
cap program was collecting information

948
00:45:28,490 --> 00:45:25,830
they didn't they did not get enough we

949
00:45:31,339 --> 00:45:28,500
think they wanted just from the military

950
00:45:33,380 --> 00:45:31,349
sources I think they found out so much

951
00:45:35,470 --> 00:45:33,390
there were means to such an extent that

952
00:45:40,070 --> 00:45:35,480
they needed to establish patterns and

953
00:45:44,750 --> 00:45:40,080
find out more so this is very unusual

954
00:45:48,140 --> 00:45:44,760
and has no anything similar in the West

955
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:48,150
or anywhere else in 1994 84 again the

956
00:45:56,420 --> 00:45:51,450
same year 1984 very interesting in the

957
00:45:59,640 --> 00:45:56,430
Soviet Union they established a civilian

958
00:46:02,130 --> 00:45:59,650
government-sponsored organization

959
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:02,140
actually government organizations for

960
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:04,090
the civilians to send their reports to

961
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:08,050
and one of the people who was in charge

962
00:46:13,590 --> 00:46:09,510
of it

963
00:46:17,550 --> 00:46:13,600
very much very much involved with it was

964
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:17,560
Pavel Popovich the Soviet cosmonaut born

965
00:46:23,970 --> 00:46:19,510
in Ukraine which you know always prior

966
00:46:26,970 --> 00:46:23,980
to us and very energetic in helping you

967
00:46:29,130 --> 00:46:26,980
apologists we have a saying now in

968
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:29,140
Russia you know when you provide roof

969
00:46:34,620 --> 00:46:31,690
for somebody it means that you provide

970
00:46:37,860 --> 00:46:34,630
protection it's a modern Russian slang

971
00:46:40,830 --> 00:46:37,870
well he provided so-called roof for you

972
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:40,840
or for researchers who were not liked by

973
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,690
the Communist Party he was very

974
00:46:49,410 --> 00:46:45,520
instrumental in helping them and he also

975
00:46:51,930 --> 00:46:49,420
spoke out a lot in defense of you for

976
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:51,940
research and pushed as much as possible

977
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:55,450
to actually get it you know research in

978
00:47:01,650 --> 00:46:57,850
an open way in the Soviet Union well he

979
00:47:03,060 --> 00:47:01,660
got a lot of what he wanted to he helped

980
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:03,070
Vladimir ajaja

981
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:06,370
form this Soviet UFO research center

982
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:08,800
which was very important achievement at

983
00:47:17,930 --> 00:47:11,890
the time and he was the one that later

984
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:17,940
received the so-called KGB UFO documents

985
00:47:24,590 --> 00:47:21,730
124 pages of the blue file from the

986
00:47:26,810 --> 00:47:24,600
hands of the KGB general nikolai sham

987
00:47:29,730 --> 00:47:26,820
phillip mental should tell you because

988
00:47:32,610 --> 00:47:29,740
he obtained very interesting information

989
00:47:38,910 --> 00:47:32,620
and we will publish them to about the

990
00:47:42,210 --> 00:47:38,920
nikolai sham revelations so Popovich was

991
00:47:45,630 --> 00:47:42,220
a historical personality in the Soviet

992
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:45,640
UFO research and again I've studied UFO

993
00:47:52,050 --> 00:47:48,970
research in the United States China and

994
00:47:58,530 --> 00:47:52,060
I do not find any similarity anywhere

995
00:48:02,130 --> 00:47:58,540
else despite Soviet communist or should

996
00:48:04,050 --> 00:48:02,140
I say ideology prevalent all over we had

997
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:04,060
to study this bloody mark Simms mark

998
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,330
Marxism Leninism every time you know

999
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:08,960
they pushed it on us

1000
00:48:14,490 --> 00:48:11,330
had to spend time studying this dead

1001
00:48:17,890 --> 00:48:14,500
ideology despite all of this nonsense

1002
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:17,900
Popovich was able to help UFO research

1003
00:48:24,930 --> 00:48:22,010
and he was placed somewhat in charge

1004
00:48:27,820 --> 00:48:24,940
with another person an academician

1005
00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:27,830
Trotsky in charge of that other program

1006
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:29,750
that's important because we have cases

1007
00:48:36,220 --> 00:48:32,210
in this book and others but especially

1008
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:36,230
you are so book cases of you know

1009
00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:41,510
observations that were sent to to this

1010
00:48:48,780 --> 00:48:44,510
research program so you had this

1011
00:48:52,450 --> 00:48:48,790
powerful and super-secret Soviet /

1012
00:48:54,730 --> 00:48:52,460
military / academic programs iike you

1013
00:48:56,079 --> 00:48:54,740
had the other program we mentioned all

1014
00:48:58,900 --> 00:48:56,089
the details about it

1015
00:49:01,359 --> 00:48:58,910
in the Soviet Union and you had UFO

1016
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:01,369
researchers who did their best to bring

1017
00:49:06,670 --> 00:49:04,000
out information and they did bring a lot

1018
00:49:09,490 --> 00:49:06,680
no no no matter that it was a

1019
00:49:10,030 --> 00:49:09,500
totalitarian government information was

1020
00:49:12,670 --> 00:49:10,040
collected

1021
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:12,680
it wasn't dispersed disseminated and

1022
00:49:18,820 --> 00:49:15,710
that's why when the Soviet Union

1023
00:49:22,180 --> 00:49:18,830
disintegrated in 1991 all of it came out

1024
00:49:25,060 --> 00:49:22,190
a lot of it came out and you know I was

1025
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,070
there I've had my contacts with people

1026
00:49:29,829 --> 00:49:26,960
in the Soviet Union for years and

1027
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:29,839
especially in 1990 after 1991

1028
00:49:35,980 --> 00:49:33,170
I started getting information - very

1029
00:49:37,420 --> 00:49:35,990
interesting now do they have that they

1030
00:49:40,329 --> 00:49:37,430
have any pardon me do they have any type

1031
00:49:43,150 --> 00:49:40,339
of you said that a lot of information

1032
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:43,160
was released which is great but there's

1033
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,530
no such thing as like a Freedom of

1034
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:47,599
Information Act or anything like that as

1035
00:49:53,230 --> 00:49:51,440
far as you a person or you follow just

1036
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:53,240
trying to get documents from the

1037
00:49:58,720 --> 00:49:56,170
government is that next to impossible

1038
00:50:00,339 --> 00:49:58,730
it's next to impossible and I have to

1039
00:50:02,890 --> 00:50:00,349
tell you you know people have to be

1040
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:02,900
careful in the Soviet Union a few people

1041
00:50:08,170 --> 00:50:05,599
got sent to the mental asylums Wow

1042
00:50:10,540 --> 00:50:08,180
because they didn't like and some people

1043
00:50:14,260 --> 00:50:10,550
in the Baltics I know were actually

1044
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:14,270
threatened and to the extent look at

1045
00:50:20,410 --> 00:50:17,810
Isaiah he couldn't find work until he

1046
00:50:22,970 --> 00:50:20,420
was given opportunity to work and study

1047
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:22,980
your force and your source by his

1048
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:25,050
France from the naval from the Navy

1049
00:50:30,830 --> 00:50:28,130
because he himself was a submariner and

1050
00:50:32,359 --> 00:50:30,840
but it was very difficult

1051
00:50:35,590 --> 00:50:32,369
some of the people would just shut down

1052
00:50:39,290 --> 00:50:35,600
like foam forming who was a lecturer in

1053
00:50:41,570 --> 00:50:39,300
1950s who presented lectures about your

1054
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:41,580
force I mean you couldn't just go and

1055
00:50:46,340 --> 00:50:44,010
hire a hall and do it he had to go

1056
00:50:49,460 --> 00:50:46,350
through the auspices of the Soviet

1057
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,470
knowledge Society and say well I want to

1058
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:51,359
talk about you know ancient mysteries

1059
00:50:56,599 --> 00:50:53,369
this and that and he was able to speak

1060
00:50:59,260 --> 00:50:56,609
and a few others but but but then came

1061
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,270
you know then they found out somebody

1062
00:51:03,980 --> 00:51:01,440
informed on him some stool pigeon

1063
00:51:05,450 --> 00:51:03,990
whatever and it was shut down you

1064
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,460
couldn't just go out and publish

1065
00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:07,200
articles about your force

1066
00:51:12,260 --> 00:51:08,760
some were published some very

1067
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:12,270
interesting you know we did make it

1068
00:51:19,780 --> 00:51:17,040
through this censorship and found oh you

1069
00:51:23,420 --> 00:51:19,790
know we published in media for example

1070
00:51:26,090 --> 00:51:23,430
1967 which and I'll give you one example

1071
00:51:29,330 --> 00:51:26,100
of what we have in the book 1967 by the

1072
00:51:31,730 --> 00:51:29,340
way was a year of Liberty for hero for

1073
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:31,740
research in the Soviet Union very

1074
00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:33,690
interesting for some reason they allowed

1075
00:51:42,130 --> 00:51:36,660
information to be published and there

1076
00:51:46,310 --> 00:51:42,140
was a case in nine in the Baltic area in

1077
00:51:48,859 --> 00:51:46,320
1967 when in November there was a

1078
00:51:52,070 --> 00:51:48,869
gigantic UFO it appeared over the shore

1079
00:51:54,980 --> 00:51:52,080
of the Baltic Sea nearly a playa that's

1080
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:54,990
that's a lot less LA city in Latvia it

1081
00:52:01,340 --> 00:51:57,450
was a semi sphere of huge proportions

1082
00:52:04,450 --> 00:52:01,350
it was glimmering as it Harvard

1083
00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:04,460
low over the ground so it couldn't be

1084
00:52:10,190 --> 00:52:07,260
mistaken for a cloud airplane satellite

1085
00:52:13,220 --> 00:52:10,200
or any other conventional object it's

1086
00:52:16,490 --> 00:52:13,230
glow was fiery and painful to look at

1087
00:52:18,620 --> 00:52:16,500
with unprotected eyes it began to move

1088
00:52:21,290 --> 00:52:18,630
later and then it quickly vanished over

1089
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,300
the horizon and those among those people

1090
00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:24,000
who witnessed us with the said we're

1091
00:52:31,460 --> 00:52:26,910
scientists meteorologists and this was

1092
00:52:33,950 --> 00:52:31,470
published in 1967 in the inner Latvian

1093
00:52:35,810 --> 00:52:33,960
and Soviet Latvian newspaper and there

1094
00:52:36,859 --> 00:52:35,820
were a few more but you had to be

1095
00:52:41,479 --> 00:52:36,869
careful

1096
00:52:45,140 --> 00:52:41,489
because when in 1985 another incident

1097
00:52:47,269 --> 00:52:45,150
was published account of another

1098
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:47,279
incident was published in 1985 and a

1099
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:49,680
Soviet newspapers at Alicia's conduce

1100
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:52,410
Lea they're very very sinister UFO

1101
00:52:56,809 --> 00:52:54,690
observations where observer we are still

1102
00:53:01,489 --> 00:52:56,819
not sure till the end what it was most

1103
00:53:04,729 --> 00:53:01,499
likely it had to be Soviet naval missile

1104
00:53:08,329 --> 00:53:04,739
testing and maybe more in the sky but

1105
00:53:10,339 --> 00:53:08,339
people died and it wasn't a pretty hmm

1106
00:53:12,410 --> 00:53:10,349
anyway it wasn't it wasn't well done but

1107
00:53:15,049 --> 00:53:12,420
people who buy the the editor who

1108
00:53:16,219 --> 00:53:15,059
published it was fired and a lot of

1109
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:16,229
other people were fired and the

1110
00:53:20,839 --> 00:53:18,089
newspaper was almost closed down but it

1111
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:20,849
was not so you had to be careful but I

1112
00:53:25,309 --> 00:53:22,529
what what I wanted to let you know is

1113
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:25,319
that you know information did come out

1114
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:28,559
to the extent possible but when the

1115
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:30,569
Soviet Union fell apart this was so

1116
00:53:35,029 --> 00:53:33,210
interesting because then then

1117
00:53:40,729 --> 00:53:35,039
information started coming out and I

1118
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:40,739
would say till 1994 a lot leaked out

1119
00:53:46,969 --> 00:53:43,890
then situation changed in Russia it

1120
00:53:51,049 --> 00:53:46,979
wasn't as free as before and there was

1121
00:53:52,789 --> 00:53:51,059
no internet nevertheless nevertheless we

1122
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:52,799
still you know were able to receive

1123
00:53:58,099 --> 00:53:55,650
information and and I want to thank

1124
00:54:00,680 --> 00:53:58,109
again our Russian colleagues who were

1125
00:54:05,529 --> 00:54:00,690
not afraid to study your force under

1126
00:54:08,529 --> 00:54:05,539
different regimes but also I want to

1127
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:08,539
point your attention for example to

1128
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:12,170
Soviet military people who came out with

1129
00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:14,249
information there were quite a lot and

1130
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:18,599
in the early nineteen in the early 2000s

1131
00:54:23,569 --> 00:54:21,450
there were a few programs on Russian TV

1132
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:23,579
and I was amazed to see stories I

1133
00:54:32,839 --> 00:54:27,210
published years before confirmed by

1134
00:54:36,109 --> 00:54:32,849
former top Soviet Navy personnel but

1135
00:54:37,940 --> 00:54:36,119
back 25 years ago I found a very

1136
00:54:40,180 --> 00:54:37,950
interesting report by somebody who I

1137
00:54:42,829 --> 00:54:40,190
wish I could find him but I can't

1138
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:42,839
Nicolai German who was a Soviet Navy

1139
00:54:47,569 --> 00:54:45,839
officer very professional and I

1140
00:54:50,190 --> 00:54:47,579
published that he stated that just like

1141
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:50,200
many other Soviet military officers

1142
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:52,089
didn't consider you are forced to be

1143
00:54:57,569 --> 00:54:55,089
optical illusions the Euro forces

1144
00:55:01,020 --> 00:54:57,579
friends and colleagues observed were the

1145
00:55:02,849 --> 00:55:01,030
same saucers balls and rays has seen

1146
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:02,859
through the ages in other parts of the

1147
00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:06,250
world but they recorded such

1148
00:55:12,450 --> 00:55:08,230
observations with the precision and

1149
00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:12,460
impartiality of military reports and he

1150
00:55:17,609 --> 00:55:15,310
mentioned that naval observers utilized

1151
00:55:21,450 --> 00:55:17,619
special technical means to record such

1152
00:55:24,180 --> 00:55:21,460
objects and because they wanted to find

1153
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:24,190
out you know their flight dynamics and

1154
00:55:28,829 --> 00:55:27,280
now what's interesting and at that time

1155
00:55:30,839 --> 00:55:28,839
we didn't know about the existence of

1156
00:55:33,329 --> 00:55:30,849
the secret soviet geo food program he

1157
00:55:35,819 --> 00:55:33,339
said that the sightings were checked and

1158
00:55:38,250 --> 00:55:35,829
verified by Soviet fleet meteorological

1159
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:38,260
officers and they were positively shown

1160
00:55:42,780 --> 00:55:40,240
to be objects that were not results of

1161
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:42,790
human technology and technological

1162
00:55:50,579 --> 00:55:45,010
activity or optical illusions that's

1163
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,589
very important now us souls again we

1164
00:55:54,829 --> 00:55:52,720
have reports that go back to antiquity

1165
00:55:57,210 --> 00:55:54,839
but you know we're mostly interested in

1166
00:56:01,050 --> 00:55:57,220
the times where you could you know

1167
00:56:03,329 --> 00:56:01,060
confirm it and we have from many parts

1168
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:03,339
of the world I already brought you

1169
00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:06,609
attention to the Arctic region to the

1170
00:56:13,890 --> 00:56:09,400
Pacific Ocean around the area of Japan

1171
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:13,900
and China a very dynamic area but also I

1172
00:56:22,589 --> 00:56:17,650
want to you know very few people right

1173
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:22,599
about this part of the world in a calm

1174
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:26,710
manner the Antarctic I know stories I've

1175
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:29,170
heard stories about Nazi bases and all

1176
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:33,280
that now the Soviet military observers

1177
00:56:41,010 --> 00:56:37,119
some are inners and others definitely

1178
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:41,020
were lurking around the Antarctic area

1179
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:43,930
especially the British island of South

1180
00:56:48,690 --> 00:56:46,000
Georgia very important place and you

1181
00:56:53,579 --> 00:56:48,700
will see in our book why and the stories

1182
00:56:58,020 --> 00:56:53,589
they had seen this is an area that is

1183
00:57:02,490 --> 00:56:58,030
not very well known to civilians but is

1184
00:57:03,609 --> 00:57:02,500
of very much interest to scientists from

1185
00:57:07,839 --> 00:57:03,619
Russia in

1186
00:57:11,890 --> 00:57:07,849
China the United States of course you

1187
00:57:13,660 --> 00:57:11,900
know South America and others something

1188
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:13,670
is going on there it's not just the lake

1189
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:18,049
of a stalk research and other lakes that

1190
00:57:23,620 --> 00:57:21,440
were found not long ago and I suggest

1191
00:57:25,630 --> 00:57:23,630
people follow up on the story is coming

1192
00:57:29,529 --> 00:57:25,640
from there there is something in that

1193
00:57:35,170 --> 00:57:29,539
area that like a magnet attracts our

1194
00:57:38,019 --> 00:57:35,180
scientists and UFOs and us OHS I just

1195
00:57:40,089 --> 00:57:38,029
and Philip we just brought out the

1196
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:40,099
Soviet and Russian aspect of the

1197
00:57:44,859 --> 00:57:42,170
research women have photographs that we

1198
00:57:47,019 --> 00:57:44,869
were able to obtain a few of falls over

1199
00:57:49,779 --> 00:57:47,029
the island but if anybody ever goes to

1200
00:57:51,309 --> 00:57:49,789
South Georgia island and there are ways

1201
00:57:55,420 --> 00:57:51,319
to get there and it's a wonderful place

1202
00:58:00,609 --> 00:57:55,430
to visit I think they should keep in

1203
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:00,619
mind that it's an area of high UFO USO

1204
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:02,450
activity and there is something

1205
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:05,359
definitely down at the bottom of the

1206
00:58:10,539 --> 00:58:08,960
ocean in that area well what was amazing

1207
00:58:12,099 --> 00:58:10,549
to me is that you know about the

1208
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:12,109
earthquakes they took place a few days

1209
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:15,170
ago not many people know that there was

1210
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:18,559
an larger earthquake in the ocean right

1211
00:58:25,529 --> 00:58:21,170
next to South Georgia island a few days

1212
00:58:28,329 --> 00:58:25,539
ago and if you hear about your so

1213
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:28,339
observations it will not be surprised to

1214
00:58:36,339 --> 00:58:32,410
me because during natural calamities

1215
00:58:38,799 --> 00:58:36,349
we've noticed that US Coast and UFOs had

1216
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:38,809
been sighted over Russian territories

1217
00:58:44,049 --> 00:58:42,170
Wow amazing you know one of the things

1218
00:58:47,380 --> 00:58:44,059
you touched on I don't want to go off of

1219
00:58:50,289 --> 00:58:47,390
the USO subject too far but you

1220
00:58:53,319 --> 00:58:50,299
mentioned that in your book you talked a

1221
00:58:55,839 --> 00:58:53,329
little bit about the Chernobyl UFO and I

1222
00:58:57,849 --> 00:58:55,849
really would like to touch on that just

1223
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:57,859
for a minute because um that's

1224
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:00,559
fascinating to me I I had heard a rumor

1225
00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:04,910
that the cigar for whatever it is that

1226
00:59:11,650 --> 00:59:07,910
was covered over that there was

1227
00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:11,660
something that interacted with Chernobyl

1228
00:59:17,290 --> 00:59:14,390
a UFO is that is that anything that you

1229
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:17,300
heard not in this book yes and we

1230
00:59:23,230 --> 00:59:20,720
than our other books it's interactive

1231
00:59:26,770 --> 00:59:23,240
it's impacted and I think it it made

1232
00:59:29,650 --> 00:59:26,780
sure that it's at what the right were

1233
00:59:33,790 --> 00:59:29,660
were probably would be attenuated or

1234
00:59:37,210 --> 00:59:33,800
made it much less the impact of the

1235
00:59:39,580 --> 00:59:37,220
Chernobyl explosion and we list names of

1236
00:59:43,540 --> 00:59:39,590
the people who had actually observed it

1237
00:59:45,580 --> 00:59:43,550
and you know what happened but I gotta

1238
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:45,590
tell you that UFOs have been seen in

1239
00:59:51,070 --> 00:59:48,170
that area and in you know we present

1240
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:51,080
very detailed information years after a

1241
00:59:59,820 --> 00:59:56,090
few years after because nothing is you

1242
01:00:03,820 --> 00:59:59,830
know resolved with the Chernobyl nuclear

1243
01:00:05,740 --> 01:00:03,830
reactor right tell them we're not sure I

1244
01:00:08,590 --> 01:00:05,750
mean there are issues there Ukraine is

1245
01:00:10,510 --> 01:00:08,600
it's a poor state and you know yeah

1246
01:00:12,580 --> 01:00:10,520
given the help of the international

1247
01:00:14,140 --> 01:00:12,590
community it's it's being covered

1248
01:00:17,050 --> 01:00:14,150
you know protected but to the extent

1249
01:00:19,570 --> 01:00:17,060
that it's over I'm not sure that's why

1250
01:00:22,210 --> 01:00:19,580
there were observations of UFOs after

1251
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:22,220
there too and yes in 1986 something

1252
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:24,730
definitely happened and there was a UFO

1253
01:00:32,620 --> 01:00:28,610
fiery sphere that was as I recall

1254
01:00:34,420 --> 01:00:32,630
observed in that area and by you know by

1255
01:00:36,220 --> 01:00:34,430
people who actually work there and say

1256
01:00:39,820 --> 01:00:36,230
you know young scientists and so forth

1257
01:00:41,530 --> 01:00:39,830
but that's not the only area and in the

1258
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:41,540
book about your source we for example

1259
01:00:48,490 --> 01:00:44,240
will list Altai and the observations in

1260
01:00:50,220 --> 01:00:48,500
the Altai Mountains of Russia and some

1261
01:00:53,020 --> 01:00:50,230
other areas like the Ural Mountains

1262
01:00:57,220 --> 01:00:53,030
where you know there have been a number

1263
01:01:00,400 --> 01:00:57,230
of ecological disasters caused by Soviet

1264
01:01:04,780 --> 01:01:00,410
military experiments or look at the CF

1265
01:01:07,630 --> 01:01:04,790
you know that's what you know the

1266
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:07,640
Soviets were trying to change nature and

1267
01:01:12,070 --> 01:01:09,890
you know they made sure what happened at

1268
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:12,080
the end is that the that sea is almost

1269
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:14,090
gone and because of that we actually

1270
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:16,370
found out very interesting things at the

1271
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:19,490
bottom of the of Dead Sea it's not Nazca

1272
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:23,090
lines but it's very interesting images

1273
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:24,170
that you could see there and we'll

1274
01:01:29,260 --> 01:01:27,200
release them but the point is that we

1275
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:29,270
heard rumors of a secret nuclear

1276
01:01:32,350 --> 01:01:30,650
explosion in the

1277
01:01:35,590 --> 01:01:32,360
area they were testing something many

1278
01:01:39,310 --> 01:01:35,600
years ago but the UFOs definitely are

1279
01:01:41,740 --> 01:01:39,320
attracted and us sauce and and this is

1280
01:01:45,310 --> 01:01:41,750
something important there is a lake for

1281
01:01:45,730 --> 01:01:45,320
example in the Central Asia in Central

1282
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:45,740
Asia

1283
01:01:51,690 --> 01:01:48,050
and during the Soviet period when it was

1284
01:01:56,470 --> 01:01:51,700
part of the Soviet Union and they had a

1285
01:01:59,830 --> 01:01:56,480
Soviet tracking station to spy on us

1286
01:02:03,400 --> 01:01:59,840
SDI technology and satellites in early

1287
01:02:06,130 --> 01:02:03,410
1980s gave our observing you a force

1288
01:02:09,700 --> 01:02:06,140
coming in and out of that Lake

1289
01:02:12,340 --> 01:02:09,710
now that Lake per se presents a danger

1290
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:12,350
to the lands below Afghanistan in a few

1291
01:02:18,190 --> 01:02:14,960
other countries if it ever breaks if the

1292
01:02:20,460 --> 01:02:18,200
water ever breaks and rolls down it

1293
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:20,470
could make a lot of problems and

1294
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:24,770
consistently UFOs were observed coming

1295
01:02:29,740 --> 01:02:28,130
in and out from that area and it was

1296
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:29,750
listed in the Soviet military

1297
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:32,570
engineering bulletin we will talk about

1298
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:37,130
it so you know you you have that what

1299
01:02:41,530 --> 01:02:38,960
you know if we live something

1300
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:41,540
interesting let's go now to North Russia

1301
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:45,290
and you know areas around discuss

1302
01:02:51,970 --> 01:02:48,530
Scandinavia Scandinavia is a prominent

1303
01:02:53,530 --> 01:02:51,980
part let's say Russian land next to

1304
01:02:55,060 --> 01:02:53,540
Scandinavia is a prominent part of our

1305
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:55,070
book too because so much is happening

1306
01:03:00,520 --> 01:02:57,920
there very much I published an article

1307
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:00,530
some years ago and it was reprinted and

1308
01:03:06,220 --> 01:03:03,410
posted on the Russian Navy site about

1309
01:03:08,740 --> 01:03:06,230
the observations of the so called

1310
01:03:10,780 --> 01:03:08,750
Russian submarines in the area Soviet

1311
01:03:12,820 --> 01:03:10,790
submarines I have no doubt that the

1312
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:12,830
Soviets would spy if they have you know

1313
01:03:18,670 --> 01:03:15,650
there was a chance but sometimes

1314
01:03:21,220 --> 01:03:18,680
whatever was spying or whatever was

1315
01:03:23,410 --> 01:03:21,230
actually in the area was blamed on the

1316
01:03:27,630 --> 01:03:23,420
Soviets and it wasn't always the case

1317
01:03:34,570 --> 01:03:30,580
visitation let's say in the waters of

1318
01:03:37,570 --> 01:03:34,580
Norway Sweden and so forth but what's

1319
01:03:40,270 --> 01:03:37,580
interesting is that we don't if we don't

1320
01:03:43,660 --> 01:03:40,280
just limit ourselves with with threads

1321
01:03:44,020 --> 01:03:43,670
with the present we have a report from

1322
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:44,030
the

1323
01:03:50,140 --> 01:03:47,570
Dutch diplomat it was basically an

1324
01:03:53,020 --> 01:03:50,150
espionage report coming from st.

1325
01:03:55,780 --> 01:03:53,030
Petersburg fascinating story it's in our

1326
01:03:57,250 --> 01:03:55,790
chapter about the Baltic Sea fascinating

1327
01:04:01,380 --> 01:03:57,260
because this is an official document

1328
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:01,390
into Russian state archives about a

1329
01:04:08,020 --> 01:04:05,810
battle in the sky over st. Petersburg

1330
01:04:11,710 --> 01:04:08,030
and this goes you know back to the days

1331
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:11,720
of Peter the Great very detailed very

1332
01:04:17,650 --> 01:04:14,450
scary it's almost like they knew and

1333
01:04:23,290 --> 01:04:17,660
heard the nürnberg battle sounds like

1334
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:23,300
back in the 1500s oh well here it was I

1335
01:04:27,100 --> 01:04:25,370
think it was a little bit more than that

1336
01:04:30,460 --> 01:04:27,110
and there was an object that appeared

1337
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:30,470
outside of the class of the two other

1338
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:33,890
objects but it was confirmed by a famous

1339
01:04:40,450 --> 01:04:37,730
Russian naval Admiral announced in

1340
01:04:44,860 --> 01:04:40,460
heaven separately from the report of the

1341
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:44,870
Dutch diplomat and again this is very

1342
01:04:48,970 --> 01:04:46,250
interesting will also present another

1343
01:04:51,970 --> 01:04:48,980
story which which nobody very few people

1344
01:04:55,620 --> 01:04:51,980
know about about the mysterious flame in

1345
01:04:58,980 --> 01:04:55,630
the Baltic Sea and the correlating

1346
01:05:01,900 --> 01:04:58,990
observation of a strange meteorite that

1347
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:01,910
was observed in the sky at that time in

1348
01:05:07,930 --> 01:05:05,690
eighteen 1845 the same year where there

1349
01:05:11,550 --> 01:05:07,940
were a lot of natural disasters right

1350
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:11,560
there that impacted Poland and Germany

1351
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:15,170
so there is a lot a lot of and we also

1352
01:05:23,620 --> 01:05:18,650
try to present information about more

1353
01:05:26,830 --> 01:05:23,630
ancient stories and not just stories but

1354
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:26,840
I don't want to say facts but at least

1355
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:31,610
accounts of lost space ships there was

1356
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:33,440
there's a research that took place a

1357
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:36,530
while ago some 20 years ago and so forth

1358
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:41,290
in the area of northern Russia but

1359
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:45,410
beyond that we also try to present you

1360
01:05:50,620 --> 01:05:47,570
know smaller cases and there are quite a

1361
01:05:54,130 --> 01:05:50,630
lot going back for example 1947 we have

1362
01:05:55,450 --> 01:05:54,140
very interesting information about you

1363
01:05:57,010 --> 01:05:55,460
know attack and the Soviet military

1364
01:06:02,260 --> 01:05:57,020
regiment

1365
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:02,270
and you name it we have a lot I think we

1366
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:06,290
have hundreds of cases that we separate

1367
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:11,170
it into geographical and and temporal

1368
01:06:16,420 --> 01:06:14,960
sections mm-hmm question oh go ahead

1369
01:06:17,859 --> 01:06:16,430
yeah go ahead

1370
01:06:20,590 --> 01:06:17,869
I don't know that's why I'm go ahead all

1371
01:06:22,450 --> 01:06:20,600
right I the listeners will know because

1372
01:06:25,390 --> 01:06:22,460
I was broadcasting from there but I was

1373
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:25,400
in Russia for a month this year in Sochi

1374
01:06:32,109 --> 01:06:29,770
and no viruses and on the Black Sea and

1375
01:06:33,550 --> 01:06:32,119
so I did a little bit of research while

1376
01:06:36,190 --> 01:06:33,560
I was there to seeing what type of

1377
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:36,200
activity was there I didn't see anything

1378
01:06:41,590 --> 01:06:39,050
about us OS but there were some a lot of

1379
01:06:44,770 --> 01:06:41,600
UFO sightings in the area but are you

1380
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:44,780
familiar with any I haven't heard you

1381
01:06:49,410 --> 01:06:46,570
mentioned the Black Sea yet

1382
01:06:54,670 --> 01:06:49,420
are there any I haven't gotten there yet

1383
01:06:57,220 --> 01:06:54,680
yes okay what chapter oh yeah we have a

1384
01:07:00,010 --> 01:06:57,230
whole chapter chapter 13 and it's it's a

1385
01:07:03,010 --> 01:07:00,020
big chapter and they were very

1386
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:03,020
interesting cases some I have went back

1387
01:07:11,770 --> 01:07:09,490
to you know 1950s and one of them was

1388
01:07:14,859 --> 01:07:11,780
it's an interesting case and I I

1389
01:07:17,500 --> 01:07:14,869
mentioned it for years in my writings he

1390
01:07:20,830 --> 01:07:17,510
took place I believe in the early 1950s

1391
01:07:23,650 --> 01:07:20,840
um I had a colleague and a friend who

1392
01:07:26,859 --> 01:07:23,660
passed away a few years ago and

1393
01:07:29,650 --> 01:07:26,869
Ukrainian writer crappy waffle engine

1394
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:29,660
crappy wah and he was very instrumental

1395
01:07:35,500 --> 01:07:33,010
in early 1990s in bringing out

1396
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:35,510
information that was covered up in the

1397
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:38,720
Soviet Union he had good connections and

1398
01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:41,920
I gotta give it to him well he knew

1399
01:07:46,690 --> 01:07:44,480
professor Kasich off of the Edessa

1400
01:07:49,090 --> 01:07:46,700
University he met with him and the

1401
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:49,100
professor told him about his friend who

1402
01:07:54,730 --> 01:07:51,440
was a Soviet Navy officer and served at

1403
01:07:57,609 --> 01:07:54,740
the Sevastopol naval base in Crimea so

1404
01:08:01,450 --> 01:07:57,619
he personally that officer observed a

1405
01:08:04,030 --> 01:08:01,460
UFO and that UFO I mean you can cause

1406
01:08:07,870 --> 01:08:04,040
you a for you are so the object you know

1407
01:08:09,940 --> 01:08:07,880
just ascended from under the sea behind

1408
01:08:12,849 --> 01:08:09,950
a battle cruiser okay

1409
01:08:14,589 --> 01:08:12,859
and the officer was under impression

1410
01:08:17,499 --> 01:08:14,599
that they came you know from the depths

1411
01:08:19,930 --> 01:08:17,509
of the Black Sea now the professor had a

1412
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:19,940
photograph and crappier was trying to to

1413
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:22,250
get it but he was not able to now

1414
01:08:27,820 --> 01:08:25,130
remember I told you in the beginning of

1415
01:08:35,050 --> 01:08:27,830
our conversation about Alexander coos of

1416
01:08:39,539 --> 01:08:35,060
King who was very diligent research of

1417
01:08:44,860 --> 01:08:39,549
UFO phenomena in the Soviet Union he

1418
01:08:49,090 --> 01:08:44,870
didn't die he committed suicide at the

1419
01:08:51,550 --> 01:08:49,100
end of his life because he came to the

1420
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:51,560
conclusion that we could not we cannot

1421
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:52,880
so he knew too much

1422
01:08:58,420 --> 01:08:55,850
it's almost like that in Indiana Jones

1423
01:09:00,700 --> 01:08:58,430
the last you know the last movie when

1424
01:09:02,890 --> 01:09:00,710
they when the Soviet officer the woman

1425
01:09:05,709 --> 01:09:02,900
when she went crazy she went fell to

1426
01:09:09,099 --> 01:09:05,719
pieces when she got knowledge from the

1427
01:09:10,450 --> 01:09:09,109
aliens well it's something like that

1428
01:09:14,050 --> 01:09:10,460
happened I don't want to you know make

1429
01:09:15,940 --> 01:09:14,060
it into a comedy but he definitely knew

1430
01:09:19,329 --> 01:09:15,950
too much and he burned a lot of these

1431
01:09:21,729 --> 01:09:19,339
materials will never regain them but

1432
01:09:24,519 --> 01:09:21,739
when what he was not when he was able to

1433
01:09:26,170 --> 01:09:24,529
publish some things and a lot of them

1434
01:09:29,050 --> 01:09:26,180
were in the Sun is that which was

1435
01:09:31,420 --> 01:09:29,060
underground publishing in the Soviet

1436
01:09:34,289 --> 01:09:31,430
Union and people paid price for

1437
01:09:37,959 --> 01:09:34,299
publishing unauthorized materials but

1438
01:09:39,700 --> 01:09:37,969
UFO researchers did too there were not

1439
01:09:44,289 --> 01:09:39,710
dissidents but you know that they risk

1440
01:09:47,769 --> 01:09:44,299
their livelihood anyway in I told you

1441
01:09:52,599 --> 01:09:47,779
about the report he had him went he was

1442
01:09:56,380 --> 01:09:52,609
he met with the scientists me marine

1443
01:10:00,060 --> 01:09:56,390
scientists who had studied the Black Sea

1444
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:00,070
and went down and saw this gigantic real

1445
01:10:08,970 --> 01:10:03,530
ten story building you know in size

1446
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:08,980
wheel that stood vertically and you know

1447
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:11,600
spinned around basically and then it

1448
01:10:16,060 --> 01:10:14,330
became horizontal and and disappeared

1449
01:10:19,540 --> 01:10:16,070
but in our book you will see interesting

1450
01:10:22,810 --> 01:10:19,550
similar incidents now some it's good

1451
01:10:23,740 --> 01:10:22,820
that you brought 1965 and I hope

1452
01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:23,750
Alexander

1453
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:26,450
is listening because I have a very

1454
01:10:32,290 --> 01:10:27,890
interesting case in the book who found

1455
01:10:35,860 --> 01:10:32,300
out in August of 1965 and I underlined

1456
01:10:38,740 --> 01:10:35,870
August 1965 because those who read this

1457
01:10:42,670 --> 01:10:38,750
book will find out other cases from

1458
01:10:45,370 --> 01:10:42,680
August of 1965 far away from the Black

1459
01:10:48,940 --> 01:10:45,380
Sea but at that time in the Black Sea

1460
01:10:51,610 --> 01:10:48,950
Soviet astronomer her last name was

1461
01:10:53,470 --> 01:10:51,620
taranovich she was a lecturer from the

1462
01:10:56,380 --> 01:10:53,480
masque observatory and she was on a

1463
01:10:59,950 --> 01:10:56,390
vacation and it was you know the at the

1464
01:11:03,730 --> 01:10:59,960
top Soviet resort nowhere phone it's an

1465
01:11:06,370 --> 01:11:03,740
area you know northwest of Caucasus now

1466
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:06,380
it was I have a very good description

1467
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:09,290
she was women can they see the the air

1468
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:11,840
was clear cloudless and warm now about

1469
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:13,730
20 minutes after the sunset she headed

1470
01:11:19,570 --> 01:11:16,130
to the shore about 100 meters away

1471
01:11:22,030 --> 01:11:19,580
suddenly high in the sky to the west she

1472
01:11:24,340 --> 01:11:22,040
noticed a black spot and soot she made

1473
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:24,350
out it was like an elongated body a new

1474
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:27,050
body at first she thought this was an

1475
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:29,930
airplane but she's so no wings and heard

1476
01:11:35,020 --> 01:11:32,690
no engine noise to remember this

1477
01:11:38,500 --> 01:11:35,030
description I'll tell you why later the

1478
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:38,510
object flew over the sea west to east at

1479
01:11:45,490 --> 01:11:42,640
about 400 meters distance from her it

1480
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:45,500
descended to about 100 meters over the

1481
01:11:52,030 --> 01:11:48,080
sea then I turned at a 90-degree angle

1482
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:52,040
as if it wasn't it's axe and access when

1483
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:54,650
it turned a band of light flashed in its

1484
01:12:00,340 --> 01:11:56,960
center and she noticed that the object

1485
01:12:03,730 --> 01:12:00,350
was disc shaped as it turned the light

1486
01:12:07,150 --> 01:12:03,740
intensified in in in a few seconds the

1487
01:12:10,690 --> 01:12:07,160
shape change into a circle its center

1488
01:12:12,850 --> 01:12:10,700
was at something like a porthole about a

1489
01:12:15,790 --> 01:12:12,860
half size of the object itself and it

1490
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:15,800
was glowing with yellow light the object

1491
01:12:19,780 --> 01:12:17,600
then flew north towards the shore

1492
01:12:22,030 --> 01:12:19,790
gaining speed and altitude as it did

1493
01:12:25,420 --> 01:12:22,040
until it became a dot in the distance

1494
01:12:30,820 --> 01:12:25,430
and disappeared okay it lasted about all

1495
01:12:36,890 --> 01:12:30,830
all over probably a minute now this

1496
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:39,800
writings and felix legal was the famous

1497
01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:46,449
Soviet astronomer in researcher who was

1498
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:49,750
not afraid to study UFOs and always

1499
01:12:56,729 --> 01:12:53,770
suffered for that from the Soviet

1500
01:13:00,840 --> 01:12:56,739
government and he he never needed to see

1501
01:13:03,689 --> 01:13:00,850
the shackles of ideology of censorship

1502
01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:03,699
taken away from the subject of UFOs he

1503
01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:07,600
died in 1988 in 1989 it became possible

1504
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:11,199
to say the word UFO in Soviet media

1505
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:13,810
openly and we have to think of a show

1506
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:16,449
for that Wow but the description I gave

1507
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:18,130
you is very interesting because we have

1508
01:13:23,490 --> 01:13:21,280
other throughout our books costing the

1509
01:13:26,910 --> 01:13:23,500
euro so book you have other interesting

1510
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:26,920
objects similar to what this astronomer

1511
01:13:35,010 --> 01:13:33,130
had described from 1967 and it's

1512
01:13:37,010 --> 01:13:35,020
interesting because you know as you go

1513
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:37,020
to the book you will see that

1514
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:39,489
descriptions of what large cylinders

1515
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:41,770
that split into small separate into

1516
01:13:48,540 --> 01:13:45,760
small parts and rejoin later and the

1517
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:48,550
observations come from the Soviet naval

1518
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:50,890
intelligence personnel so you know

1519
01:14:00,540 --> 01:13:55,170
that's important and you see you know

1520
01:14:03,090 --> 01:14:00,550
just like that so again the quality of

1521
01:14:05,399 --> 01:14:03,100
the information and the observers

1522
01:14:08,669 --> 01:14:05,409
presented in the book we are very proud

1523
01:14:10,169 --> 01:14:08,679
of because you know it took us a number

1524
01:14:14,610 --> 01:14:10,179
of years to get it together

1525
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:14,620
that and we presented yeah dad

1526
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:17,290
one of the things you I heard you

1527
01:14:23,070 --> 01:14:19,690
mention his Submariner

1528
01:14:25,260 --> 01:14:23,080
or some Mariners however you say that I

1529
01:14:27,390 --> 01:14:25,270
we actually had someone on the show oh

1530
01:14:33,050 --> 01:14:27,400
oh I don't know maybe a year or two ago

1531
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:33,060
that was that observed a USO on radar

1532
01:14:40,770 --> 01:14:36,010
clocked at something like 90 nautical

1533
01:14:43,649 --> 01:14:40,780
miles an hour you know just going super

1534
01:14:49,450 --> 01:14:43,659
fast and it was the skipper aboard the

1535
01:14:52,899 --> 01:14:49,460
sub acted like it was like you know hush

1536
01:14:55,540 --> 01:14:52,909
like this almost happens a lot I thought

1537
01:14:58,240 --> 01:14:55,550
that was really interesting so can you

1538
01:15:03,520 --> 01:14:58,250
talk about a couple of the cases that

1539
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:03,530
involve submarines sure we have one

1540
01:15:07,359 --> 01:15:05,449
chapter called Russian submarines in

1541
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:07,369
u.s. sauce but of course we have

1542
01:15:11,879 --> 01:15:09,679
throughout the book observations of

1543
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:11,889
Russian submarines well we talked about

1544
01:15:20,709 --> 01:15:14,719
1965 so let's stick with this year there

1545
01:15:22,510 --> 01:15:20,719
was a case in 1965 when it was a Soviet

1546
01:15:24,819 --> 01:15:22,520
submarine was definitely on a spy

1547
01:15:26,740 --> 01:15:24,829
mission in the Atlantic Ocean and the

1548
01:15:27,250 --> 01:15:26,750
Atlantic Ocean you will see the cases we

1549
01:15:29,709 --> 01:15:27,260
have there

1550
01:15:32,020 --> 01:15:29,719
it's a most numerous cases took place in

1551
01:15:34,330 --> 01:15:32,030
the Atlantic Ocean so it came to the

1552
01:15:38,290 --> 01:15:34,340
meeting a little bit early okay so the

1553
01:15:40,990 --> 01:15:38,300
crew had a chance to - to the surface to

1554
01:15:44,049 --> 01:15:41,000
go on the deck you know everything was

1555
01:15:46,299 --> 01:15:44,059
quiet it was a cloudless sky no enemy

1556
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:46,309
around and then all of a sudden they see

1557
01:15:51,790 --> 01:15:49,610
a cigar-shaped object moving noise noise

1558
01:15:54,580 --> 01:15:51,800
noise mostly through the sky making no

1559
01:15:58,270 --> 01:15:54,590
noise ok this was in the international

1560
01:16:02,080 --> 01:15:58,280
waters but you know if the adversary was

1561
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:02,090
there nobody would pay attention so they

1562
01:16:08,729 --> 01:16:05,360
wanted to dive immediately but what they

1563
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:08,739
found out is the onboard reader did not

1564
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:11,840
record anything like nothing was rounded

1565
01:16:15,729 --> 01:16:13,730
Wow oh the captain you know you didn't

1566
01:16:17,950 --> 01:16:15,739
know yeah he said okay let's remain on

1567
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:17,960
the surface all of a sudden there were

1568
01:16:23,140 --> 01:16:19,730
three beams of light that shot out from

1569
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:23,150
the UFO and the Soviets were able to see

1570
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:25,730
that object quite closely it looked like

1571
01:16:32,500 --> 01:16:29,360
an airship but they had no gondolas no

1572
01:16:34,660 --> 01:16:32,510
rudders and nothing horizontal or

1573
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:34,670
vertical attached to it it was large

1574
01:16:41,319 --> 01:16:37,250
they recorded it was about 250 meters

1575
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:41,329
long and the Soviet Navy people knew

1576
01:16:48,399 --> 01:16:43,489
that the US had no such theory tables

1577
01:16:49,930 --> 01:16:48,409
not at all so what you know then slowly

1578
01:16:52,209 --> 01:16:49,940
that object descended

1579
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:52,219
right into the ocean and the search

1580
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:53,449
light was still on

1581
01:16:59,200 --> 01:16:57,530
it submerged under the water and what

1582
01:17:01,650 --> 01:16:59,210
happened is that that time dishonor

1583
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:01,660
sonar from the submarine registers and

1584
01:17:07,890 --> 01:17:03,970
strange and very intensive hissing sound

1585
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:07,900
and it faded away and by the way when it

1586
01:17:12,930 --> 01:17:10,960
comes to noises our chapter chapter 2

1587
01:17:15,930 --> 01:17:12,940
when we talk about the crockery

1588
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:15,940
phenomenon you will see a lot about

1589
01:17:20,250 --> 01:17:18,490
noises we present information and

1590
01:17:23,550 --> 01:17:20,260
opinions from the former Soviet

1591
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:23,560
submarine officers it's amazing Wow so

1592
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:28,480
this was this was one of the cases let's

1593
01:17:36,780 --> 01:17:33,280
see I told you about the case of course

1594
01:17:40,140 --> 01:17:36,790
of Kim but let's say 1951 I always liked

1595
01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:40,150
the 1950s because for a few reasons when

1596
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:42,880
it comes to the Soviet UFO research we

1597
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:45,370
present a lot in this book and in some

1598
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:47,170
in other books a lot of information in

1599
01:17:54,540 --> 01:17:49,890
other books plus Stalin was in power and

1600
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:54,550
when you read about their Arctic regions

1601
01:17:59,130 --> 01:17:57,130
you will find out we were able to find

1602
01:18:03,000 --> 01:17:59,140
out that there was a very intensive and

1603
01:18:06,090 --> 01:18:03,010
gigantic program secret program to

1604
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:06,100
explore the Arctic but under Stalin

1605
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:07,690
everything was put in and then it was

1606
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:10,930
shut down but in a way that you could it

1607
01:18:15,150 --> 01:18:12,730
was preserved for the future

1608
01:18:16,710 --> 01:18:15,160
there was another program too but we're

1609
01:18:20,250 --> 01:18:16,720
talking about style here's an

1610
01:18:21,930 --> 01:18:20,260
interesting case from 1951 there was a

1611
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:21,940
solid somewhere in that encountered a

1612
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:25,330
strange underwater object it was a very

1613
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:28,690
large size it ignored all requests for

1614
01:18:34,500 --> 01:18:31,330
identification and just continued on a

1615
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:34,510
steady course towards the shore of the

1616
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:37,330
USSR so the captain of the submarine

1617
01:18:43,650 --> 01:18:39,970
ordered depth charges to be dropped

1618
01:18:44,490 --> 01:18:43,660
bombs at the USO location no reaction to

1619
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:44,500
the attack

1620
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:47,650
the USO just continued without any

1621
01:18:54,510 --> 01:18:50,560
change in speed and then after some time

1622
01:18:56,670 --> 01:18:54,520
it just unexpectedly and rapid abruptly

1623
01:19:00,420 --> 01:18:56,680
rose towards a center towards the

1624
01:19:03,540 --> 01:19:00,430
surface and then at the you know when it

1625
01:19:06,300 --> 01:19:03,550
was about 50 meters deep and the water

1626
01:19:09,390 --> 01:19:06,310
it stopped change course and departed

1627
01:19:12,750 --> 01:19:09,400
this was 1978 we can tell you you know

1628
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:12,760
other stories from 1978 1979 and so for

1629
01:19:15,300 --> 01:19:14,650
like I said we have stories from the

1630
01:19:17,010 --> 01:19:15,310
Bermuda

1631
01:19:20,180 --> 01:19:17,020
triangle because the Soviets were there

1632
01:19:22,980 --> 01:19:20,190
- and they are they had very interesting

1633
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:22,990
sightings in the deep waters of Bahamas

1634
01:19:28,530 --> 01:19:26,080
Bermuda Puerto Rico and east coast of

1635
01:19:31,740 --> 01:19:28,540
the United States okay because they were

1636
01:19:33,570 --> 01:19:31,750
interested and what would sometimes

1637
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:33,580
scare them is done their way to the

1638
01:19:40,110 --> 01:19:36,850
Atlantic Ocean and right there they were

1639
01:19:43,410 --> 01:19:40,120
encountered by this strange phenomena we

1640
01:19:46,410 --> 01:19:43,420
mentioned in the second chapter and they

1641
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:46,420
assume that they were spied on by the

1642
01:19:52,020 --> 01:19:48,130
Americans but it was a very wrong

1643
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:52,030
assumption so those are the cases and

1644
01:19:58,980 --> 01:19:55,690
you know again we have a lot a lot of

1645
01:20:01,680 --> 01:19:58,990
them and yeah we mentioned submarines

1646
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:01,690
and you know lectures given by submarine

1647
01:20:07,980 --> 01:20:05,440
officers where they speak about Soviet

1648
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:07,990
Navy submarines chased by other objects

1649
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:10,210
where the pursuers could change their

1650
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:12,970
speed at will and were faster than any

1651
01:20:19,140 --> 01:20:15,690
other vessels known to be at the time

1652
01:20:21,420 --> 01:20:19,150
this is a challenge and it's it's a

1653
01:20:23,730 --> 01:20:21,430
challenge that sooner or later we will

1654
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:23,740
face and like I said I think those in

1655
01:20:27,570 --> 01:20:26,650
charge of the naval forces understand

1656
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:27,580
what's going on

1657
01:20:36,780 --> 01:20:31,330
I remember that many years ago I found

1658
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:36,790
out that my my my first book the Soviet

1659
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:39,760
UFO FILES was part of the u.s. Navy

1660
01:20:45,870 --> 01:20:43,090
library which is okay you know wow I'm

1661
01:20:47,010 --> 01:20:45,880
glad I'm not sure if it still is yeah I

1662
01:20:48,930 --> 01:20:47,020
don't think that sight is even

1663
01:20:51,450 --> 01:20:48,940
accessible but but that's why we're at

1664
01:20:54,090 --> 01:20:51,460
the book so you know here and in other

1665
01:20:57,780 --> 01:20:54,100
countries people realize what's going on

1666
01:21:01,050 --> 01:20:57,790
there is nothing that we obtained

1667
01:21:04,770 --> 01:21:01,060
illegally from the Soviet Union and rest

1668
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:04,780
assured that the deepest secrets the

1669
01:21:11,670 --> 01:21:07,840
Soviet Union has Soviet Navy will never

1670
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:11,680
be unfortunately will never be made

1671
01:21:16,830 --> 01:21:14,530
public unless something something

1672
01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:16,840
drastic happens and and we listed

1673
01:21:22,860 --> 01:21:20,560
because some years ago there were people

1674
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:22,870
that claimed that the Soviet Union is

1675
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:28,210
going to to declassify their files it

1676
01:21:30,930 --> 01:21:28,719
may be

1677
01:21:33,689 --> 01:21:30,940
and of course they came out and they

1678
01:21:35,580 --> 01:21:33,699
said this is not going to happen and we

1679
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:35,590
understand it who else will not do the

1680
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:38,320
same because if you Declassified whether

1681
01:21:45,169 --> 01:21:40,570
you find out where their submarines are

1682
01:21:48,299 --> 01:21:45,179
you know going on their missions mm-hmm

1683
01:21:52,069 --> 01:21:48,309
yeah I can never say that part of it

1684
01:21:55,020 --> 01:21:52,079
sure yeah Russia Russia is you know

1685
01:21:57,149 --> 01:21:55,030
historically it tends to be a closed

1686
01:22:00,120 --> 01:21:57,159
society and we're not going to discuss

1687
01:22:04,850 --> 01:22:00,130
politics but you know every nation has

1688
01:22:07,890 --> 01:22:04,860
its quirks every nation has its and

1689
01:22:12,529 --> 01:22:07,900
Russia is no different but no matter

1690
01:22:19,620 --> 01:22:15,209
listeners to pay attention to China

1691
01:22:24,689 --> 01:22:19,630
because China is becoming world power

1692
01:22:25,770 --> 01:22:24,699
and it's UFO research is unlike ours or

1693
01:22:27,899 --> 01:22:25,780
in Russia

1694
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:27,909
unlike because that's that's where the

1695
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:31,449
government pays close attention to UFO

1696
01:22:37,339 --> 01:22:34,090
research and actually sponsors a number

1697
01:22:40,049 --> 01:22:37,349
of organizations and I think in you know

1698
01:22:43,109 --> 01:22:40,059
thousands tens of thousands of

1699
01:22:45,330 --> 01:22:43,119
scientists are involved and I've had

1700
01:22:49,049 --> 01:22:45,340
some articles and people can see it in

1701
01:22:52,850 --> 01:22:49,059
my website yeah yeah that is interesting

1702
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:52,860
now this sept cow or however you say it

1703
01:22:58,819 --> 01:22:55,570
organization did you say yeah did you

1704
01:23:02,549 --> 01:22:58,829
say that was that was in part of

1705
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:02,559
coordinated by the government or was

1706
01:23:08,759 --> 01:23:07,210
that also a coordinated because if

1707
01:23:12,899 --> 01:23:08,769
anything was not coordinated by the

1708
01:23:14,729 --> 01:23:12,909
government you know then the way was to

1709
01:23:16,799 --> 01:23:14,739
either you know wind up in the

1710
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:16,809
concentration camp or in the mental

1711
01:23:22,319 --> 01:23:19,449
asylum you know any anything

1712
01:23:27,229 --> 01:23:22,329
unsanctioned you know you couldn't do it

1713
01:23:30,689 --> 01:23:27,239
no this was a totally government led

1714
01:23:32,430 --> 01:23:30,699
government in instigated research and

1715
01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:32,440
government people worked for it because

1716
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:35,710
you had scientists on one hand and we

1717
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:38,800
presented in full detail names and deeds

1718
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:42,250
and military officers involved we

1719
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:46,090
list and names of the Russian Soviet

1720
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:49,600
Navy intelligence commanders and others

1721
01:23:55,650 --> 01:23:51,850
who were instrumental in this program

1722
01:23:59,390 --> 01:23:55,660
and what they revealed this was a

1723
01:24:04,620 --> 01:23:59,400
program that you know was put in motion

1724
01:24:07,260 --> 01:24:04,630
in 1978 for sure but some parts started

1725
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:07,270
well well before Navy parts started in

1726
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:08,890
76

1727
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:10,960
and there was a there was a reason for

1728
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:12,610
it and you will see people who read the

1729
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:14,530
book oh I understand when they read

1730
01:24:24,540 --> 01:24:20,320
about the the what's the right word very

1731
01:24:29,850 --> 01:24:24,550
unusual dance of the U of O over a

1732
01:24:32,330 --> 01:24:29,860
Soviet submarine station and how it

1733
01:24:36,090 --> 01:24:32,340
scared the Soviet government but anyway

1734
01:24:40,380 --> 01:24:36,100
this was a program that you know lasted

1735
01:24:45,290 --> 01:24:40,390
from 78 for sure through 1991 and it was

1736
01:24:48,810 --> 01:24:45,300
very active it used scientists such as

1737
01:24:51,060 --> 01:24:48,820
meteorologists and of course I believe

1738
01:24:53,100 --> 01:24:51,070
they had about I don't remember the

1739
01:24:57,930 --> 01:24:53,110
number exactly but about 30 Soviet

1740
01:24:59,850 --> 01:24:57,940
higher Institute's involved in that and

1741
01:25:02,760 --> 01:24:59,860
wisdom will list them because it's very

1742
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:02,770
important and some of those scientists I

1743
01:25:09,870 --> 01:25:07,810
gotta tell you Davers so persistent not

1744
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:09,880
not the people at the top know that

1745
01:25:13,650 --> 01:25:12,010
those are the debunkers who didn't want

1746
01:25:16,740 --> 01:25:13,660
to do anything but some of the

1747
01:25:19,230 --> 01:25:16,750
scientists are very persistent I have an

1748
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:19,240
article by the way also in open minds

1749
01:25:24,420 --> 01:25:22,570
about the Kazakhstan research by side

1750
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:24,430
scientists very interesting very unusual

1751
01:25:32,910 --> 01:25:27,970
cases but in a little closer at least

1752
01:25:40,170 --> 01:25:32,920
two to one is the mention of 1982 of

1753
01:25:54,780 --> 01:25:46,470
this was one case and this was one case

1754
01:25:59,250 --> 01:25:54,790
and the other was in also 1982 but had

1755
01:26:02,310 --> 01:25:59,260
to do with the Russian case that goes

1756
01:26:05,580 --> 01:26:02,320
back to the 17th century and it's in our

1757
01:26:08,910 --> 01:26:05,590
book it's a famous case one of the best

1758
01:26:12,690 --> 01:26:08,920
from the front from the Middle Ages and

1759
01:26:17,910 --> 01:26:12,700
in later times of a UFO observation over

1760
01:26:23,370 --> 01:26:17,920
the lake and the description was given

1761
01:26:25,140 --> 01:26:23,380
by a very able person who was able to

1762
01:26:29,580 --> 01:26:25,150
write everything down and present the

1763
01:26:32,060 --> 01:26:29,590
details this was a very sinister case I

1764
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:32,070
should say when an object kept coming

1765
01:26:37,470 --> 01:26:35,440
back to the to the lake and scaring

1766
01:26:41,970 --> 01:26:37,480
local people who just came out from the

1767
01:26:44,010 --> 01:26:41,980
church they robbed or 0ro bo z ER oh

1768
01:26:51,480 --> 01:26:44,020
you'd better chapter about it in the

1769
01:26:54,330 --> 01:26:51,490
book and in 1982 an expedition which

1770
01:26:58,650 --> 01:26:54,340
included the Soviet scientists from this

1771
01:27:04,320 --> 01:26:58,660
cedcap program went back to that area to

1772
01:27:06,210 --> 01:27:04,330
study to study the impact of that body

1773
01:27:09,150 --> 01:27:06,220
from the front you know from the 17th

1774
01:27:10,620 --> 01:27:09,160
century on the soil of of the area it

1775
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:10,630
was very interesting because they found

1776
01:27:16,140 --> 01:27:13,090
confirmation scientific confirmation

1777
01:27:20,190 --> 01:27:16,150
that something took place residual

1778
01:27:22,170 --> 01:27:20,200
matter and so forth so you asked about

1779
01:27:24,570 --> 01:27:22,180
CSKA there are two examples there are

1780
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:24,580
more I remember there are more because

1781
01:27:31,260 --> 01:27:27,850
there was a case from I believe the

1782
01:27:35,630 --> 01:27:31,270
Indian Ocean where which was reported

1783
01:27:39,470 --> 01:27:35,640
through the Circa program and somehow

1784
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:39,480
surfers do now is there any such

1785
01:27:44,430 --> 01:27:42,610
organization or similar organization

1786
01:27:46,100 --> 01:27:44,440
that you're aware of now that collects

1787
01:27:49,890 --> 01:27:46,110
UFO data

1788
01:27:52,410 --> 01:27:49,900
well I in why I have no doubts that it

1789
01:27:53,759 --> 01:27:52,420
goes on but it would be completely

1790
01:27:55,259 --> 01:27:53,769
different

1791
01:27:58,910 --> 01:27:55,269
today they're there they know there are

1792
01:28:01,589 --> 01:27:58,920
other ways to collect matter I think

1793
01:28:03,779 --> 01:28:01,599
that the Russian government is very much

1794
01:28:06,180 --> 01:28:03,789
interested they have to be because the

1795
01:28:10,950 --> 01:28:06,190
Russian Navy is becoming very powerful

1796
01:28:14,759 --> 01:28:10,960
they are building small and very

1797
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:14,769
powerful submarines unusual design

1798
01:28:19,770 --> 01:28:17,170
I know Putin himself for example who

1799
01:28:23,689 --> 01:28:19,780
went to the bottom of the lake baikal in

1800
01:28:26,459 --> 01:28:23,699
2009 and you know I thought I wanted to

1801
01:28:29,100 --> 01:28:26,469
do to humour myself thinking maybe he

1802
01:28:31,319 --> 01:28:29,110
read my book on Philips writings too but

1803
01:28:34,379 --> 01:28:31,329
I think he knows himself with what he

1804
01:28:37,859 --> 01:28:34,389
needs to know and I would be surprised

1805
01:28:41,009 --> 01:28:37,869
if Russia would not have an organization

1806
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:41,019
that studies us owes and you of owes to

1807
01:28:48,419 --> 01:28:43,920
the extent possible and remember today

1808
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:48,429
we we can grasp and see much more than

1809
01:28:55,049 --> 01:28:52,530
30 40 15 years ago simply because of the

1810
01:28:58,859 --> 01:28:55,059
you know development of our technology

1811
01:29:02,009 --> 01:28:58,869
we have underwater robots and we can

1812
01:29:05,189 --> 01:29:02,019
explore Marianas Trench much more than

1813
01:29:07,290 --> 01:29:05,199
before and and those who read my our

1814
01:29:09,330 --> 01:29:07,300
book will understand why when they read

1815
01:29:13,649 --> 01:29:09,340
the body Mariana Trench and a few other

1816
01:29:17,250 --> 01:29:13,659
places like that and definitely we will

1817
01:29:18,989 --> 01:29:17,260
see much more but there is more than

1818
01:29:21,419 --> 01:29:18,999
that I mean when you when you read all

1819
01:29:23,970 --> 01:29:21,429
these observations and reports and you

1820
01:29:26,939 --> 01:29:23,980
put things together you start things

1821
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:26,949
seeing patterns and it's very

1822
01:29:32,970 --> 01:29:30,249
interesting and you start thinking well

1823
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:32,980
are there tunnels that we know don't

1824
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:36,090
know about that exist under the surface

1825
01:29:44,850 --> 01:29:41,650
of the earth core maybe or down below

1826
01:29:48,930 --> 01:29:44,860
that connect the oceans or leg by cow

1827
01:29:51,629 --> 01:29:48,940
with the ocean could be and then we

1828
01:29:53,939 --> 01:29:51,639
start trying to find confirmation and I

1829
01:29:56,819 --> 01:29:53,949
gotta tell you I'm proud of what we what

1830
01:30:00,000 --> 01:29:56,829
we did for the chapter of the swimmers

1831
01:30:02,700 --> 01:30:00,010
people always often some researchers

1832
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:02,710
talk about ancient India and the mana

1833
01:30:06,910 --> 01:30:05,170
weapons and so forth we found a

1834
01:30:11,580 --> 01:30:06,920
different angle

1835
01:30:12,850 --> 01:30:11,590
we found X descriptions in the

1836
01:30:16,930 --> 01:30:12,860
Mahabharata

1837
01:30:21,490 --> 01:30:16,940
of the ancient battles between dem

1838
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:21,500
demigods and celestial beings and the

1839
01:30:29,710 --> 01:30:27,170
underwater demons and we give

1840
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:29,720
description of the underwater demon race

1841
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:32,930
that existed complete detail description

1842
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:35,330
of the battles it's like reading science

1843
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:36,890
fiction novel today because we don't

1844
01:30:40,690 --> 01:30:38,930
even have weapons like that we still

1845
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:40,700
don't have illusion weapons to the

1846
01:30:46,930 --> 01:30:43,850
extent that I know and a few others but

1847
01:30:51,730 --> 01:30:46,940
most important we die ancient Indian

1848
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:51,740
myth in all myths or stories to the

1849
01:30:56,740 --> 01:30:54,650
lakes in the areas we describe Tibet

1850
01:30:59,260 --> 01:30:56,750
because you will see a few things that

1851
01:31:01,750 --> 01:30:59,270
we found out about Tibet by cow and

1852
01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:01,760
others and this is fascinating because I

1853
01:31:08,730 --> 01:31:04,400
think this should be continued because

1854
01:31:11,650 --> 01:31:08,740
ancient India had stories of beings that

1855
01:31:15,580 --> 01:31:11,660
Soviet military in our Soviet naval

1856
01:31:18,150 --> 01:31:15,590
commanders so observed in the sea maybe

1857
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:18,160
30 years ago that's what's fascinating

1858
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:24,050
well and you know and we there are you

1859
01:31:28,210 --> 01:31:25,370
know ancient Chinese Chinese

1860
01:31:30,370 --> 01:31:28,220
observations of so-called your souls and

1861
01:31:32,710 --> 01:31:30,380
so forth and Japan has a number of

1862
01:31:34,900 --> 01:31:32,720
stories but Japan is right there and you

1863
01:31:37,690 --> 01:31:34,910
know right next to Russia so a lot of

1864
01:31:42,700 --> 01:31:37,700
the cases we describe our from that area

1865
01:31:46,210 --> 01:31:42,710
to very interesting cases and you can

1866
01:31:49,300 --> 01:31:46,220
see that in the antiquity people had

1867
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:49,310
observed unusual very unusual things and

1868
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:51,770
that's how we start to book that's how

1869
01:32:00,160 --> 01:31:55,970
it starts you know with the Russian

1870
01:32:04,060 --> 01:32:00,170
writer he died in London some years ago

1871
01:32:06,820 --> 01:32:04,070
he was very famous because he you know

1872
01:32:10,210 --> 01:32:06,830
if Erich von däniken started writing

1873
01:32:13,090 --> 01:32:10,220
here in the 1960s in in Russia we had

1874
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:13,100
people before scientists who were

1875
01:32:19,450 --> 01:32:15,130
interested in the ancient contact

1876
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:19,460
ancient visitation Palio contact as it

1877
01:32:24,220 --> 01:32:20,570
was called and where

1878
01:32:25,750 --> 01:32:24,230
able to publish some of the hypotheses

1879
01:32:28,660 --> 01:32:25,760
they had I still have books from

1880
01:32:31,210 --> 01:32:28,670
nineteen nineteen seventies they were

1881
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:31,220
very fearless very determined

1882
01:32:37,450 --> 01:32:33,890
researchers now this guy had information

1883
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:37,460
about an object a USO that goes that

1884
01:32:43,060 --> 01:32:39,890
probably a few thousand years ago in the

1885
01:32:45,790 --> 01:32:43,070
Mediterranean and you will see more

1886
01:32:49,420 --> 01:32:45,800
those who read our books will definitely

1887
01:32:52,150 --> 01:32:49,430
want to find out about Central Asia and

1888
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:52,160
some of the lakes in that part of the

1889
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:55,730
world and ancient observations of UFOs

1890
01:33:02,080 --> 01:32:59,120
and your souls and also very interesting

1891
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:02,090
modern cases yeah I was gonna ask you

1892
01:33:08,440 --> 01:33:05,690
about people about modern the into

1893
01:33:10,660 --> 01:33:08,450
antiquity is really fascinating to me

1894
01:33:15,430 --> 01:33:10,670
but I just wondered in your book what is

1895
01:33:21,460 --> 01:33:15,440
the latest case that you that you report

1896
01:33:23,230 --> 01:33:21,470
on 2006 Ukraine Black Sea uh-huh you

1897
01:33:25,020 --> 01:33:23,240
want to just cool very cool case yeah

1898
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:25,030
let's hear that case if that's alright

1899
01:33:32,710 --> 01:33:28,610
well it was a very interesting

1900
01:33:37,500 --> 01:33:32,720
observation by a crew of the joint

1901
01:33:42,820 --> 01:33:37,510
Russian Ukrainian naval mission to

1902
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:42,830
society the they wanted to find the site

1903
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:46,010
where Armenia Soviet it was the name of

1904
01:33:52,570 --> 01:33:49,010
the Soviet ship that not that Nazi

1905
01:33:56,440 --> 01:33:52,580
Germany sank it was a medical ship and

1906
01:33:59,830 --> 01:33:56,450
it went down with many people aboard and

1907
01:34:04,510 --> 01:33:59,840
when they were in the area of the

1908
01:34:07,750 --> 01:34:04,520
alleged you know presence of that ship

1909
01:34:11,890 --> 01:34:07,760
they cited something unusual and we

1910
01:34:15,310 --> 01:34:11,900
present that information 2006 and what

1911
01:34:17,430 --> 01:34:15,320
we have cases that call go back to 2000

1912
01:34:19,510 --> 01:34:17,440
I think there was one from 2002

1913
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:19,520
observation from Russian scientists

1914
01:34:23,740 --> 01:34:21,410
which is very interesting like of

1915
01:34:27,700 --> 01:34:23,750
ramming Co and others it's it's in the

1916
01:34:30,220 --> 01:34:27,710
book so you know and of course if

1917
01:34:32,710 --> 01:34:30,230
anything else comes anything later comes

1918
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:32,720
why that's reveal the world publish it

1919
01:34:36,590 --> 01:34:34,170
right I just don't

1920
01:34:40,010 --> 01:34:36,600
saying that a lot of information will be

1921
01:34:42,820 --> 01:34:40,020
able unless recorded by people who have

1922
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:42,830
cameras today and so forth but again

1923
01:34:49,070 --> 01:34:46,890
like I said a lot of the reports for

1924
01:34:52,430 --> 01:34:49,080
example would come from Arctic

1925
01:34:54,860 --> 01:34:52,440
hard-to-reach areas or Yakutia you have

1926
01:34:58,400 --> 01:34:54,870
to get there to be able to photograph

1927
01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:58,410
something right hot Russia is a very

1928
01:35:04,610 --> 01:35:01,920
much unexplored land in Siberia in the

1929
01:35:08,570 --> 01:35:04,620
taiga forest my father served in the

1930
01:35:11,090 --> 01:35:08,580
Soviet Army in the 1950s and he was in

1931
01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:11,100
the communications unit they would put

1932
01:35:16,910 --> 01:35:13,440
communication lines and he went from

1933
01:35:19,790 --> 01:35:16,920
Magadan from the very removed far far

1934
01:35:21,919 --> 01:35:19,800
remote areas and the Far East Siberia

1935
01:35:23,930 --> 01:35:21,929
and so forth it was a very unsteady

1936
01:35:26,450 --> 01:35:23,940
period when the concentration camps were

1937
01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:26,460
were closed down and a lot of people

1938
01:35:32,090 --> 01:35:28,800
were let out political prisoners but

1939
01:35:34,729 --> 01:35:32,100
also criminals he had observed cannibals

1940
01:35:38,510 --> 01:35:34,739
he had seen a lot while he served in

1941
01:35:41,110 --> 01:35:38,520
those areas and he told me you know for

1942
01:35:43,970 --> 01:35:41,120
thousands hundreds of thousands of miles

1943
01:35:45,860 --> 01:35:43,980
there is no there is nobody who lives

1944
01:35:47,689 --> 01:35:45,870
there and if anybody does you don't know

1945
01:35:50,300 --> 01:35:47,699
about them and they don't know about the

1946
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:50,310
outside world there were villages that

1947
01:35:54,530 --> 01:35:52,410
were discovered in the Soviet Union our

1948
01:35:57,620 --> 01:35:54,540
next nineteen sixties nineteen seventies

1949
01:36:00,320 --> 01:35:57,630
of people who lived without any contact

1950
01:36:02,990 --> 01:36:00,330
with population for hundreds of years

1951
01:36:06,380 --> 01:36:03,000
yes I've heard about that they invent

1952
01:36:08,959 --> 01:36:06,390
their own languages and everything their

1953
01:36:11,959 --> 01:36:08,969
own languages the the Old Believers star

1954
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:11,969
Avira those who escaped Peter the Great

1955
01:36:17,630 --> 01:36:13,679
and all other Russian Czars and

1956
01:36:19,189 --> 01:36:17,640
dictators and so forth and you know you

1957
01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:19,199
know those who escaped the Soviet Union

1958
01:36:25,610 --> 01:36:21,600
the Soviet government you can find them

1959
01:36:27,650 --> 01:36:25,620
too and whatever it's like the in 1908

1960
01:36:30,590 --> 01:36:27,660
case which we described in other books

1961
01:36:33,169 --> 01:36:30,600
but it's very interesting the Tunguska

1962
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:33,179
kisk right you know it was it's it's

1963
01:36:39,919 --> 01:36:37,440
hard to get there but we did get a lot

1964
01:36:44,419 --> 01:36:39,929
of information in we also in the chapter

1965
01:36:46,820 --> 01:36:44,429
about Far East we present observations

1966
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:46,830
of the hunters local hunters will always

1967
01:36:50,910 --> 01:36:47,770
want to

1968
01:36:53,610 --> 01:36:50,920
present views of those people who were

1969
01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:53,620
largely disseminate had no decimated

1970
01:36:58,440 --> 01:36:55,600
during the Soviet time and even before

1971
01:37:01,100 --> 01:36:58,450
we want them to be heard too because

1972
01:37:04,110 --> 01:37:01,110
their cultures and their beliefs

1973
01:37:06,570 --> 01:37:04,120
vanished to maniac to an extent they

1974
01:37:07,290 --> 01:37:06,580
become russified whether they wanted to

1975
01:37:09,420 --> 01:37:07,300
or not

1976
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:09,430
you know their face was taken away they

1977
01:37:13,710 --> 01:37:11,770
became Russian Orthodox forcefully but

1978
01:37:15,450 --> 01:37:13,720
many of them resisted and we have

1979
01:37:18,630 --> 01:37:15,460
stories about the two very interesting

1980
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:18,640
stories but their observations deserve

1981
01:37:25,170 --> 01:37:21,570
to be heard and it's very interesting

1982
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:25,180
you know I did in the kutia chapter and

1983
01:37:31,530 --> 01:37:28,330
also did an episode for ancient aliens

1984
01:37:36,090 --> 01:37:31,540
once about Yakutia there is much more I

1985
01:37:38,690 --> 01:37:36,100
wish you know Americans and others had a

1986
01:37:41,010 --> 01:37:38,700
chance to travel and see more of it or

1987
01:37:43,610 --> 01:37:41,020
we got more information too right there

1988
01:37:45,450 --> 01:37:43,620
are very unusual objects in that land

1989
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:45,460
Wow

1990
01:37:51,390 --> 01:37:48,970
yeah right the countryside of Russia

1991
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:51,400
like you said there's so much unexplored

1992
01:37:58,830 --> 01:37:54,730
area and that that kind of leads me I

1993
01:38:01,530 --> 01:37:58,840
heard you say the URL Mountains earlier

1994
01:38:04,500 --> 01:38:01,540
and had you ever looked into the Dyatlov

1995
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:04,510
pass incident I mean that's always been

1996
01:38:11,700 --> 01:38:08,290
just fascinating oh yes absolutely

1997
01:38:13,500 --> 01:38:11,710
absolutely and we presented in in our

1998
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:13,510
earlier books not in this one it has

1999
01:38:16,770 --> 01:38:15,130
nothing to do with it but it's a

2000
01:38:19,410 --> 01:38:16,780
fascinating and complicated case because

2001
01:38:22,230 --> 01:38:19,420
nobody knows till the end what killed

2002
01:38:23,670 --> 01:38:22,240
them right but we have our own idea we

2003
01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:23,680
have our own presentation but it has

2004
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:26,080
nothing to do with UFOs yourselves and

2005
01:38:32,580 --> 01:38:29,890
I've studied it before and something

2006
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:32,590
that we we will publish more about later

2007
01:38:39,330 --> 01:38:36,730
but this case is by no means ended but I

2008
01:38:42,230 --> 01:38:39,340
gotta tell you that you know you are so

2009
01:38:47,100 --> 01:38:42,240
booked we had we have very interesting

2010
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:47,110
ideas no information about various

2011
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:51,610
physical impact on human psyche because

2012
01:39:00,030 --> 01:38:56,530
not everything we see I would say I have

2013
01:39:01,460 --> 01:39:00,040
to agree with Evgeny Litvinov he's in

2014
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:01,470
our book one of the

2015
01:39:05,660 --> 01:39:03,930
active former Soviet military naval

2016
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:05,670
meter people who collect information

2017
01:39:11,150 --> 01:39:08,730
about us source he says that about 70

2018
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:11,160
percent should be explained and can be

2019
01:39:17,210 --> 01:39:14,850
explained as military tests you know and

2020
01:39:20,060 --> 01:39:17,220
other phenomena in a known natural

2021
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:20,070
phenomena but definitely thirty percent

2022
01:39:27,230 --> 01:39:22,530
cannot be explained and I would say of

2023
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:27,240
the 30 percent 10 percent defy any

2024
01:39:33,650 --> 01:39:30,930
explanation we can have in our world

2025
01:39:36,350 --> 01:39:33,660
and people sometimes see things that

2026
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:36,360
they mistake for UFOs and u.s. owes and

2027
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:38,610
that's why the government's don't like

2028
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:41,760
people to see to work up too much in the

2029
01:39:46,250 --> 01:39:44,130
sky or underwater ones and then they

2030
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:46,260
have hired people who can explain it

2031
01:39:55,010 --> 01:39:51,570
away to bonk it but but we still don't

2032
01:39:57,380 --> 01:39:55,020
know all the physical world around us

2033
01:40:01,490 --> 01:39:57,390
and in our chapter about the Arctic

2034
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:01,500
Ocean you will see a description that

2035
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:05,610
came out in the 1950s in the Soviet

2036
01:40:13,670 --> 01:40:10,050
Union based on that Stalin's secret

2037
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:13,680
program to study the Arctic most of the

2038
01:40:20,060 --> 01:40:15,930
information is unavailable but what came

2039
01:40:24,110 --> 01:40:20,070
out and what the Soviet airmen had

2040
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:24,120
observed on the ice floes in the Arctic

2041
01:40:29,390 --> 01:40:26,970
is fascinating and sometimes in many

2042
01:40:32,570 --> 01:40:29,400
ways it brings me back to the Edgar

2043
01:40:34,700 --> 01:40:32,580
Allan Poe description of the Antarctic

2044
01:40:38,900 --> 01:40:34,710
very strange book that he had a body

2045
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:38,910
Antarctic oh you know ocean and I mean

2046
01:40:43,550 --> 01:40:40,970
the Antarctic land and the air you know

2047
01:40:46,010 --> 01:40:43,560
happenings around we know very little

2048
01:40:48,260 --> 01:40:46,020
about the South Pole the North Pole

2049
01:40:51,740 --> 01:40:48,270
what's going on there yes but there are

2050
01:40:53,480 --> 01:40:51,750
those who who have to and you know your

2051
01:40:56,330 --> 01:40:53,490
hair will stand up when you read the

2052
01:40:59,450 --> 01:40:56,340
story that they presented yeah you know

2053
01:41:01,220 --> 01:40:59,460
it's a I think there's we know more

2054
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:01,230
about the surface of the Moon than we do

2055
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:04,170
about the oceans and it's it is very

2056
01:41:10,940 --> 01:41:07,050
intriguing this subject of us OS has

2057
01:41:12,860 --> 01:41:10,950
been very intriguing to me because of

2058
01:41:15,359 --> 01:41:12,870
what a great place to hide if something

2059
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:15,369
can you know there's so many

2060
01:41:20,490 --> 01:41:18,489
there's so many cases and I'm sure you

2061
01:41:23,310 --> 01:41:20,500
know a lot of them are probably a lot in

2062
01:41:24,780 --> 01:41:23,320
your book where the thing just flies in

2063
01:41:27,930 --> 01:41:24,790
the sky and then right into the water

2064
01:41:30,629 --> 01:41:27,940
and almost like at the same speed just

2065
01:41:32,490 --> 01:41:30,639
fascinate or through the ice and yeah

2066
01:41:35,250 --> 01:41:32,500
yeah so they are breaking the ice

2067
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:35,260
yeah yeah Allah we have a lot of K which

2068
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:37,690
is very interesting you know and then

2069
01:41:43,709 --> 01:41:40,810
you know subject the objects that change

2070
01:41:47,399 --> 01:41:43,719
shape or move around and yeah speeds we

2071
01:41:49,439 --> 01:41:47,409
cannot even fathom you know we cannot

2072
01:41:52,379 --> 01:41:49,449
explain it and you know there were

2073
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:52,389
interesting cases of interaction and you

2074
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:54,159
will see I don't want to spoil the mood

2075
01:42:01,050 --> 01:41:57,010
but people will see what's going on

2076
01:42:08,189 --> 01:42:01,060
sometimes Soviets was their aircraft or

2077
01:42:11,910 --> 01:42:08,199
other craft you know when encountering

2078
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:11,920
UFOs and u.s. owes and again they were

2079
01:42:17,250 --> 01:42:14,290
scared they were definitely scared and

2080
01:42:20,129 --> 01:42:17,260
to me it seems like somebody would push

2081
01:42:22,830 --> 01:42:20,139
away you know a playful child who gets

2082
01:42:24,899 --> 01:42:22,840
too too curious to know it knows that

2083
01:42:27,810 --> 01:42:24,909
you know they're being pushed away and

2084
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:27,820
as not so as not to bother their adults

2085
01:42:32,700 --> 01:42:30,250
well if whoever visits this planets are

2086
01:42:35,790 --> 01:42:32,710
the adults you know it's very unusual

2087
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:35,800
because we have stories of hostility but

2088
01:42:42,209 --> 01:42:38,290
we also have stories of attention to

2089
01:42:47,370 --> 01:42:42,219
ecological damage down to the planet and

2090
01:42:49,770 --> 01:42:47,380
and prevalence of UFO reports from the

2091
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:49,780
Cold War from the from the hottest

2092
01:42:54,810 --> 01:42:52,570
moment of the Cold War it's like the you

2093
01:42:57,750 --> 01:42:54,820
of UFOs and your sores were always

2094
01:42:59,910 --> 01:42:57,760
present and in our other books we

2095
01:43:03,000 --> 01:42:59,920
describe Soviet space program and

2096
01:43:04,830 --> 01:43:03,010
cosmonaut observations too and what's

2097
01:43:07,550 --> 01:43:04,840
very interesting and it applies to this

2098
01:43:09,930 --> 01:43:07,560
book too is there was a Soviet

2099
01:43:13,050 --> 01:43:09,940
academician one of the top scientists

2100
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:13,060
who said that when the Soviet during the

2101
01:43:17,609 --> 01:43:16,480
Soviet space program they felt like you

2102
01:43:22,890 --> 01:43:17,619
know they were under a microscope

2103
01:43:25,979 --> 01:43:22,900
because UFOs would be present always or

2104
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:25,989
almost always had the launches of Soviet

2105
01:43:31,620 --> 01:43:28,690
spacecraft and so forth

2106
01:43:34,709 --> 01:43:31,630
and Russia definitely Russia and the

2107
01:43:37,500 --> 01:43:34,719
ones around presented very interesting

2108
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:37,510
magnet to them and Ukraine my native

2109
01:43:45,090 --> 01:43:41,440
land as well definitely because not only

2110
01:43:48,020 --> 01:43:45,100
the Black Sea but other areas in Ukraine

2111
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:48,030
too but again no matter how much

2112
01:43:54,209 --> 01:43:50,890
interesting European cases are

2113
01:43:57,090 --> 01:43:54,219
especially from the Baltic Sea or or the

2114
01:43:59,700 --> 01:43:57,100
North Sea Odin original waters most

2115
01:44:03,200 --> 01:43:59,710
interesting cases I would say take place

2116
01:44:06,150 --> 01:44:03,210
in the Arctic areas in Kamchatka

2117
01:44:07,770 --> 01:44:06,160
Chukotka you'll you know your leaders

2118
01:44:11,490 --> 01:44:07,780
will be able to read the case from

2119
01:44:15,060 --> 01:44:11,500
Kamchatka from 1970 a sinister case of a

2120
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:15,070
UFO coming you know out from the waters

2121
01:44:21,330 --> 01:44:18,880
of a lake in that area that's very

2122
01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:21,340
interesting and what happens to those

2123
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:23,650
who observed it you know we have

2124
01:44:29,459 --> 01:44:26,400
numerous stories of various lakes you

2125
01:44:31,830 --> 01:44:29,469
know big ones like by car but also lakes

2126
01:44:37,470 --> 01:44:31,840
in the northern Russia and other areas

2127
01:44:41,070 --> 01:44:37,480
of the country and us OS are observed in

2128
01:44:43,590 --> 01:44:41,080
such Lakes deep water lakes but you know

2129
01:44:45,959 --> 01:44:43,600
not only yeah I was going to ask if

2130
01:44:49,380 --> 01:44:45,969
there were only deep water lakes so

2131
01:44:51,570 --> 01:44:49,390
there are some lakes that are not or

2132
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:51,580
that are more shallow that there's

2133
01:44:58,439 --> 01:44:55,210
observed as well yeah yeah and the

2134
01:45:00,270 --> 01:44:58,449
attention when you know I'm proud of the

2135
01:45:03,900 --> 01:45:00,280
information we were able to collect and

2136
01:45:06,930 --> 01:45:03,910
some of it came years ago when I just

2137
01:45:10,229 --> 01:45:06,940
started you know getting a lot of it and

2138
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:10,239
being open to protect my sources in the

2139
01:45:14,490 --> 01:45:12,250
Soviet Union I had to be quiet for a few

2140
01:45:20,370 --> 01:45:14,500
years but it is published in Russian

2141
01:45:23,220 --> 01:45:20,380
mostly articles about UFO research in

2142
01:45:25,950 --> 01:45:23,230
Australia in the United States and we

2143
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:25,960
published them here and we smuggled into

2144
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:29,770
the Soviet Union and people were able to

2145
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:33,130
read about UFO research here in the

2146
01:45:37,410 --> 01:45:34,719
United States when everything else was

2147
01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:37,420
shut down and you couldn't and of course

2148
01:45:42,300 --> 01:45:39,520
there were other publications translated

2149
01:45:45,930 --> 01:45:42,310
but not a lot but after

2150
01:45:48,990 --> 01:45:45,940
I would say 1991 it was like a flood of

2151
01:45:51,570 --> 01:45:49,000
information came out and remember there

2152
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:51,580
were no tabloids at that time in Russia

2153
01:45:57,300 --> 01:45:54,970
okay now they learned at that time in

2154
01:46:00,870 --> 01:45:57,310
the Soviet Union they didn't know people

2155
01:46:06,710 --> 01:46:00,880
were eager to share information to

2156
01:46:08,940 --> 01:46:06,720
present stuff that they knew about so I

2157
01:46:10,020 --> 01:46:08,950
received information we are interesting

2158
01:46:13,470 --> 01:46:10,030
a bottle you know

2159
01:46:15,870 --> 01:46:13,480
observations of one of the lakes around

2160
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:15,880
st. Petersburg Leningrad at the time and

2161
01:46:23,790 --> 01:46:20,170
I want to turn your readers attention to

2162
01:46:26,190 --> 01:46:23,800
the Ladoga Lake Ladoga and very

2163
01:46:29,670 --> 01:46:26,200
interesting cases and a few others on

2164
01:46:34,110 --> 01:46:29,680
Niaga and there is more than that I know

2165
01:46:36,230 --> 01:46:34,120
very serious researchers who had

2166
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:36,240
published a number of books in Russia

2167
01:46:42,420 --> 01:46:39,970
for diligent and dedicate their life to

2168
01:46:46,020 --> 01:46:42,430
UFO research and they believe that there

2169
01:46:49,770 --> 01:46:46,030
is an underwater base in Lake Ladoga

2170
01:46:51,300 --> 01:46:49,780
and they present their facts very

2171
01:46:53,580 --> 01:46:51,310
interesting and I have to agree with

2172
01:46:56,280 --> 01:46:53,590
them because I there is definitely

2173
01:47:00,300 --> 01:46:56,290
something down down below and that area

2174
01:47:02,850 --> 01:47:00,310
is heavily militarized around st.

2175
01:47:04,580 --> 01:47:02,860
Petersburg in the Leningrad region it

2176
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:04,590
has to be because they're right next to

2177
01:47:14,220 --> 01:47:08,530
NATO and Scandinavia and outside of any

2178
01:47:16,820 --> 01:47:14,230
political what should I say I don't want

2179
01:47:21,170 --> 01:47:16,830
to say fighting but any political

2180
01:47:24,870 --> 01:47:21,180
disagreements there may be for sure a

2181
01:47:28,380 --> 01:47:24,880
Russian army and navy today understand

2182
01:47:31,620 --> 01:47:28,390
and know about observations of us oppose

2183
01:47:34,950 --> 01:47:31,630
and other strange phenomena in the in

2184
01:47:37,290 --> 01:47:34,960
their part of the world and even the KGB

2185
01:47:39,150 --> 01:47:37,300
and we describe it by the way it was

2186
01:47:42,620 --> 01:47:39,160
very that's why I want to say it and you

2187
01:47:46,020 --> 01:47:42,630
know they knew about the Kola Peninsula

2188
01:47:47,940 --> 01:47:46,030
phenomena very unusual lakes and your

2189
01:47:50,340 --> 01:47:47,950
readers will understand and other

2190
01:47:56,220 --> 01:47:50,350
information they knew about it back in

2191
01:47:59,370 --> 01:47:56,230
1920s because there was in that time

2192
01:48:01,710 --> 01:47:59,380
there was a research conducted by the

2193
01:48:05,010 --> 01:48:01,720
KGB of the time it was called

2194
01:48:07,020 --> 01:48:05,020
differently and they collected a lot of

2195
01:48:08,790 --> 01:48:07,030
interesting information and sent out

2196
01:48:13,770 --> 01:48:08,800
expeditions especial to the Kola

2197
01:48:19,100 --> 01:48:13,780
Peninsula and in the 1938 it came to the

2198
01:48:23,670 --> 01:48:19,110
end because the head of this research

2199
01:48:28,290 --> 01:48:23,680
KGB general very very interesting person

2200
01:48:31,290 --> 01:48:28,300
he was purged and people around him were

2201
01:48:33,660 --> 01:48:31,300
executed including the top Russian

2202
01:48:38,340 --> 01:48:33,670
scientist birchen Co who was involved in

2203
01:48:44,130 --> 01:48:38,350
it and files the files had disappeared

2204
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:44,140
and gone probably not completely

2205
01:48:48,570 --> 01:48:46,210
I'm sure the Soviet Russian government

2206
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:48,580
of this has those files but what people

2207
01:48:55,380 --> 01:48:52,810
try to find them later and it was a very

2208
01:48:57,210 --> 01:48:55,390
unusual research and had a lot of active

2209
01:49:00,690 --> 01:48:57,220
people but again most of them perished

2210
01:49:03,050 --> 01:49:00,700
and we don't know what happened but what

2211
01:49:06,810 --> 01:49:03,060
we do know is that the Kola Peninsula

2212
01:49:08,700 --> 01:49:06,820
was of great interest to the Soviet

2213
01:49:11,460 --> 01:49:08,710
Union in the early days of the Soviet

2214
01:49:15,570 --> 01:49:11,470
government and their friends in Nazi

2215
01:49:17,010 --> 01:49:15,580
Germany were as much interested as the

2216
01:49:20,430 --> 01:49:17,020
Soviets were because they were good

2217
01:49:24,900 --> 01:49:20,440
friends until a certain time in the

2218
01:49:27,900 --> 01:49:24,910
nineteen thirties and Nazi Germany tried

2219
01:49:30,300 --> 01:49:27,910
to wrestle Kola Peninsula away from the

2220
01:49:32,690 --> 01:49:30,310
Soviet government when the world war two

2221
01:49:37,610 --> 01:49:32,700
started but the Soviets were able to

2222
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:37,620
protect it however there were Nazi

2223
01:49:45,180 --> 01:49:42,850
espionage missions to the area and you

2224
01:49:49,229 --> 01:49:45,190
know they found some artifacts and so

2225
01:49:52,620 --> 01:49:49,239
forth so those who read my our book will

2226
01:49:54,930 --> 01:49:52,630
understand why and again this is the

2227
01:50:01,260 --> 01:49:54,940
area of the concentration Soviet of

2228
01:50:06,979 --> 01:50:01,270
these Russian naval power and submarine

2229
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:06,989
bases same area where you as ozan UFOs

2230
01:50:13,460 --> 01:50:10,170
visited late 1970s now

2231
01:50:16,100 --> 01:50:13,470
ages and we present a lot of cases in

2232
01:50:19,940 --> 01:50:16,110
our book yeah have a question up here

2233
01:50:21,550 --> 01:50:19,950
for you do you and then we're almost

2234
01:50:24,050 --> 01:50:21,560
running out of time pretty soon here

2235
01:50:27,970 --> 01:50:24,060
they want to know if you know of any

2236
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:27,980
cases around the car path Carpathian

2237
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:30,810
Mountains near the current Ukraine and

2238
01:50:36,980 --> 01:50:34,890
southern Poland border actually Makaha

2239
01:50:39,410 --> 01:50:36,990
yes there were a number of cases would

2240
01:50:42,110 --> 01:50:39,420
present another books one of them was in

2241
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:42,120
the from the comes from the CSKA program

2242
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:47,010
fiery fears flying and encountering

2243
01:50:53,720 --> 01:50:49,530
Soviet aircraft I think it was from 1984

2244
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:53,730
yes there were cases actually I keep up

2245
01:50:58,010 --> 01:50:55,440
with the developments in the Ukrainian

2246
01:51:02,000 --> 01:50:58,020
your follow Jim just two days ago I read

2247
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:02,010
about the a large number of UFO

2248
01:51:09,650 --> 01:51:04,800
sightings in the Carpathian Mountains

2249
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:09,660
area as contrasted to the rest of the

2250
01:51:13,970 --> 01:51:11,730
Ukraine which is very unusual but at the

2251
01:51:18,470 --> 01:51:13,980
same time you need to remember the

2252
01:51:23,500 --> 01:51:18,480
Soviets when they spied on us satellites

2253
01:51:25,910 --> 01:51:23,510
they had they had a secret underground

2254
01:51:27,860 --> 01:51:25,920
installations that local people did not

2255
01:51:29,810 --> 01:51:27,870
know about I know because I married to

2256
01:51:32,090 --> 01:51:29,820
one of the local people they know

2257
01:51:34,460 --> 01:51:32,100
nothing about they nobody knew anything

2258
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:34,470
about that but after the Soviet Union

2259
01:51:40,190 --> 01:51:37,170
fell apart they found out that you know

2260
01:51:41,810 --> 01:51:40,200
this was the area of the u.s. after of

2261
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:41,820
the of the station that spies in a

2262
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:43,170
satellite so yeah there are a lot of

2263
01:51:48,440 --> 01:51:45,690
cases in that part of the world I see

2264
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:48,450
yeah it sounds like there's a lot of hot

2265
01:51:53,540 --> 01:51:50,370
spots too with what you've discussed

2266
01:51:55,670 --> 01:51:53,550
before now has there ever been any

2267
01:51:59,390 --> 01:51:55,680
discussion or any reports that you're

2268
01:52:04,850 --> 01:51:59,400
aware of of any I'm switching it over to

2269
01:52:07,490 --> 01:52:04,860
UFO any UFO crashes a lot there are a

2270
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:07,500
lot of information about UFO crashes but

2271
01:52:14,900 --> 01:52:11,130
you know most of them are definitely

2272
01:52:16,970 --> 01:52:14,910
nonsense because the foreign object that

2273
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:16,980
moves at such speed and so forth to be

2274
01:52:23,780 --> 01:52:21,570
shut down by by our meager you know

2275
01:52:26,300 --> 01:52:23,790
capabilities it's not it's not unusual

2276
01:52:30,530 --> 01:52:26,310
but I don't want to impose my opinion

2277
01:52:32,090 --> 01:52:30,540
and reported cases and in our books we

2278
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:32,100
present information so I'm very

2279
01:52:37,460 --> 01:52:34,770
interesting some from the Ukrainian

2280
01:52:40,040 --> 01:52:37,470
scientist a military scientist very

2281
01:52:42,380 --> 01:52:40,050
active in the Soviet armed forces who

2282
01:52:45,440 --> 01:52:42,390
claims that yes yes

2283
01:52:48,290 --> 01:52:45,450
missiles did bring down one or two

2284
01:52:51,500 --> 01:52:48,300
so-called UFOs and the technology

2285
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:51,510
obtained from from the you of all was

2286
01:52:57,920 --> 01:52:55,530
from that UFO was used for Soviets to

2287
01:53:00,680 --> 01:52:57,930
improve their missile capabilities also

2288
01:53:04,010 --> 01:53:00,690
the darling courts case of 1986 again

2289
01:53:06,740 --> 01:53:04,020
very fascinating year 1986 there are pro

2290
01:53:10,010 --> 01:53:06,750
and con all contra opinions of what it

2291
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:10,020
was was it a UFO or a high-level

2292
01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:14,970
military satellite using you know most

2293
01:53:19,490 --> 01:53:17,730
advanced technology available we still

2294
01:53:21,530 --> 01:53:19,500
don't know but a lot of people do want

2295
01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:21,540
to know yeah Wow

2296
01:53:26,510 --> 01:53:24,930
okay so just one last question because

2297
01:53:29,540 --> 01:53:26,520
we are getting near the end here and

2298
01:53:31,190 --> 01:53:29,550
that is can you go into right at the

2299
01:53:34,520 --> 01:53:31,200
very beginning of the show you mentioned

2300
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:34,530
these humanoid type things swimming

2301
01:53:39,350 --> 01:53:37,290
without any you know equipment or

2302
01:53:40,910 --> 01:53:39,360
anything like that can you go into a

2303
01:53:43,550 --> 01:53:40,920
little more detail of what they were

2304
01:53:46,970 --> 01:53:43,560
reporting about that and it was at

2305
01:53:49,250 --> 01:53:46,980
freshwater or was that saltwater lake

2306
01:53:51,950 --> 01:53:49,260
baikal you know what you know it's a

2307
01:53:55,250 --> 01:53:51,960
very complicated case and Lake Baikal by

2308
01:54:00,830 --> 01:53:55,260
the way had other incidents including

2309
01:54:02,830 --> 01:54:00,840
the strange and sinister you know fiery

2310
01:54:05,810 --> 01:54:02,840
glow that almost destroyed the Soviet

2311
01:54:07,870 --> 01:54:05,820
contingent and so forth and I I prefer

2312
01:54:10,940 --> 01:54:07,880
that people read about it it's a very

2313
01:54:13,940 --> 01:54:10,950
complicated case and we presented in

2314
01:54:16,010 --> 01:54:13,950
full with the information available to

2315
01:54:18,410 --> 01:54:16,020
us including like I said confirmation

2316
01:54:21,620 --> 01:54:18,420
from a Russian writer who knew quite a

2317
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:21,630
lot about the territory and so forth and

2318
01:54:27,850 --> 01:54:24,330
the cedcap program scientists who had

2319
01:54:30,980 --> 01:54:27,860
observed some similar being later and

2320
01:54:34,130 --> 01:54:30,990
same year and information from the

2321
01:54:37,340 --> 01:54:34,140
russian naval counterintelligence that

2322
01:54:39,620 --> 01:54:37,350
had to invest

2323
01:54:45,170 --> 01:54:39,630
a similar case not not there but a

2324
01:54:48,290 --> 01:54:45,180
similar being in 1990 so it's a very

2325
01:54:49,940 --> 01:54:48,300
interesting case and I you know I think

2326
01:54:52,790 --> 01:54:49,950
people will like it when they read it

2327
01:54:56,450 --> 01:54:52,800
yeah okay well I didn't know I'd be able

2328
01:54:57,140 --> 01:54:56,460
to ask this question but I we have just

2329
01:55:00,080 --> 01:54:57,150
a minute here

2330
01:55:05,240 --> 01:55:00,090
did besides what you heard about this

2331
01:55:08,180 --> 01:55:05,250
crashed UFO and supposedly reverse

2332
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:08,190
technology for weapons or whatever it

2333
01:55:15,860 --> 01:55:11,370
was was there talk of more of that you

2334
01:55:17,930 --> 01:55:15,870
always hear about the like the area 51

2335
01:55:20,630 --> 01:55:17,940
you know things like that like this

2336
01:55:22,250 --> 01:55:20,640
reverse technology was has there been

2337
01:55:23,870 --> 01:55:22,260
talk over the years I know you said

2338
01:55:26,660 --> 01:55:23,880
there was a lot of nonsense is that all

2339
01:55:28,730 --> 01:55:26,670
part of the nonsense well there was a

2340
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:28,740
lot of nonsense a lot of the fabricated

2341
01:55:34,700 --> 01:55:31,170
stories too and there were stories that

2342
01:55:36,200 --> 01:55:34,710
cannot be explained in our books when if

2343
01:55:39,500 --> 01:55:36,210
people are interested in to read about

2344
01:55:42,950 --> 01:55:39,510
the Mancha Gore sck case of 1987 that I

2345
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:42,960
think also involved attention from mr.

2346
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:46,010
Gorbachev 1987 there was a recovered

2347
01:55:51,050 --> 01:55:49,050
object and it's right there in the books

2348
01:55:54,410 --> 01:55:51,060
that we write with Phillip not the USO

2349
01:55:57,530 --> 01:55:54,420
book and when people read those books

2350
01:56:00,340 --> 01:55:57,540
out they'll be able to see all the

2351
01:56:02,840 --> 01:56:00,350
information available right in dates and

2352
01:56:05,660 --> 01:56:02,850
territories alright thanks so much it's

2353
01:56:08,240 --> 01:56:05,670
been a real pleasure thank you so much

2354
01:56:12,730 --> 01:56:08,250
and one more time if you would just say

2355
01:56:17,150 --> 01:56:12,740
your website oh yeah absolutely

2356
01:56:21,530 --> 01:56:17,160
www Paul Stonehill Russian you are full

2357
01:56:24,050 --> 01:56:21,540
and us or research com Wow so long all

2358
01:56:25,880 --> 01:56:24,060
right all right thanks so much it's been

2359
01:56:29,390 --> 01:56:25,890
a real pleasure Paul I really appreciate

2360
01:56:30,710 --> 01:56:29,400
it okay all right thanks buh-bye so

2361
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:30,720
that's it for the show this evening

2362
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:34,410
thanks so much for listening and next

2363
01:56:42,350 --> 01:56:38,010
week we have Sam moranto we'll be on

2364
01:56:44,930 --> 01:56:42,360
from Illinois and it's been interesting

2365
01:56:47,300 --> 01:56:44,940
evening I thought and I hope you enjoyed

2366
01:56:50,090 --> 01:56:47,310
it and thanks so much for supporting the

2367
01:56:50,930 --> 01:56:50,100
show or listening live and we'll be back